olegru Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Just pass.I know, my favorite partner will collect 10 tricks and complain we missed another cold game, but no bid for now. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 What actually happened on this hand was that both tables played in 1NT doubled. We went for 1100, whereas declarer at the other table managed to get out for 200, which goes to show that my choice of bid was not the only point of interest on the hand ... At the time, I was kicking myself for not trying Stayman. It does seem to be the most likely way to avoid a double. And, as it happens, it would have worked nicely on this hand (partner turned up with five diamonds). And, yes, nearly everyone here in the UK plays double of 1NT for penalties, even against a strong no-trump. Until recently the system regulations forced us to play double as penalties in most competitions. This was changed for 4th seat a few years ago, and was changed for 2nd seat last month, but most people either don't know or don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 What actually happened on this hand was that both tables played in 1NT doubled. We went for 1100, whereas declarer at the other table managed to get out for 200, which goes to show that my choice of bid was not the only point of interest on the hand ... At the time, I was kicking myself for not trying Stayman. It does seem to be the most likely way to avoid a double. And, as it happens, it would have worked nicely on this hand (partner turned up with five diamonds). And, yes, nearly everyone here in the UK plays double of 1NT for penalties, even against a strong no-trump. Until recently the system regulations forced us to play double as penalties in most competitions. This was changed for 4th seat a few years ago, and was changed for 2nd seat last month, but most people either don't know or don't care. Note if we pass then p could have pulled to 2d with a decent suit, what happens then is conjecture.My guess is against true world class players they may have guessed right to defend 1nt so let's run to 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 What actually happened on this hand was that both tables played in 1NT doubled. We went for 1100, whereas declarer at the other table managed to get out for 200, which goes to show that my choice of bid was not the only point of interest on the hand ... At the time, I was kicking myself for not trying Stayman. It does seem to be the most likely way to avoid a double. And, as it happens, it would have worked nicely on this hand (partner turned up with five diamonds). And, yes, nearly everyone here in the UK plays double of 1NT for penalties, even against a strong no-trump. Until recently the system regulations forced us to play double as penalties in most competitions. This was changed for 4th seat a few years ago, and was changed for 2nd seat last month, but most people either don't know or don't care. Was the other declarer doubled in 2♦ (-1?) or was it untouched and -2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 both were in 1N, one guy just played it better. Agree wtih Mike, depending on your partners hand he might have tried 2D. I still don't see how you would "know" you are going to get Xed in 1N, and how you would "know" if they are able to X you in 1N your pard can't bid a 5 card suit, and how you would "know" they wont be able to X you in whatever you get to by bidding stayman and how you "know" this would be a better contract. Alot of things have to happen for bidding stayman to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Almost yarborough! And it's balanced!I'll pass,pass;Or pass,pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Who was your partner? It wasn't me, since I never go for -1100 any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 NV at matchpoints I might try 3NT. I'm not sure I could face my team-mates at IMPs. The disciplined action is clearly to pass 1NT - LHO hasn't doubled yet. Once 1NT doubled has been passed round to me I think it's close between pass and redouble. My usual partner will redouble 1NT to show a 5 (or 6 card suit), once I know he doesn't have one I will probably stick in 1NT as it's often harder to defend than two of a suit. It does depend slightly on opponents. Some people who play double of 1NT as penalties also play double of Stayman or a transfer as showing a hand that would have doubled 1NT. Against them I definitely pass. If they play double as lead-directing I might try either garbage stayman or a transfer to spades (RHO might bid hearts after LHO's double). As for the people being rude about the penalty double, I don't think it's a clear-cut as you are saying. In fact, I think it is definitely right to play double of a 3rd in NV 1NT opening as penalties as it is so frequently psyched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Gee, only 12 cards!Partner: Oops, I have 14. Throwing all cards in the middle of the table, destroying all evidence. I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Who was your partner? It wasn't me, since I never go for -1100 any more. Let me guess - it hasn't happened since we last played together Mark? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Who was your partner? It wasn't me, since I never go for -1100 any more. Dave McDouall (?sp). This was when I was filling in for you, who was due to be filling in for John Holland. I suppose the sight of me sitting across the table rather than John H would be enough to make anyone go for -1100 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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