HTML preview version

[paulg]

When I turned all the Chrome extensions off I did not get the problem when playing a 12-board match. So it may well be a Chrome issue although I did not chat quite as much in this session :)

[sakuragi]

seems no such thread yet (?) so starting one ....

 

looks great on both my windows and linux (fedora)

the html non flash works much better than before for linux

 

looks diff on windows and linux

windows

https://screenshots.firefox.com/hQlzTgnxxGPVpSb2/www.bridgebase.com

 

linux

https://screenshots.firefox.com/eepBYj8TC7qk9ADE/www.bridgebase.com

 

both looks great. probably for linxu guys they may try change browser agent so the look may change to windows one (i havent tried)

 

thank you bbo :lol: :lol:

[BillHiggin]

seems no such thread yet (?) so starting one ....

 

looks great on both my windows and linux (fedora)

the html non flash works much better than before for linux

 

looks diff on windows and linux

windows

https://screenshots.....bridgebase.com

 

linux

https://screenshots.....bridgebase.com

 

both looks great. probably for linxu guys they may try change browser agent so the look may change to windows one (i havent tried)

 

thank you bbo :lol: :lol:

 

I also use Lynux. I just checked with Firefox, and what I get matches your windows screenshot. Pretty sure it is the same with Chromium/Chrome, can check if important.

[barmar]

See the messages above from smerriman for the reason you're seeing the mobile layout. Your window is less than 640 pixels in height.

[sakuragi]

FYI i am having 1366*768 screen in pc.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/62Nsf2eAniNubJkO/null

 

Am actually happy with diff views in diff OS :lol: :lol:

[JoshuaR]

Thanks for the hard work. Some comments, perhaps just my own opinion.

 

Screenshots in imgur gallery:

https://imgur.com/a/vWnqRxC

 

Not sure if I'm getting the mobile version on a ~13 inch ultrabook sized laptop using the latest google chrome. Tried F11 full-screening as well as ctrl+- to zoom in and out to see if layout changed.

 

1. Agree with a previous user stating that it is nice to have the bidding record remain in the top corner during the play of the hand. Sure it doesn't match OTB bridge, but I think of it more of a feature than a bug, and prefer it to having to make an extra click to bring up the bidding. (Didn't show properly that aspect in the two screenshots)

 

2. Hand history: I am always trying to see where I messed up and how I could do better... the current BBO allows me to have the results tab open at the same time, and with the choice of a simple tab I can compare all the other tables that played the same hand/s. In the html version while kibitzing a vugraph, you can see that there is still that option to click and see the "other table" results. If I am kibitzing a normal game or playing myself; however, the option to view the Other Tables disappears and is replaced with "Recent Hands." Sure, it's nice to see how I did in my most recent hands, but I'm not kibitzing a pro to look at my own old hands. Nor if I am playing do I want to look at my old hands. I want to look at my hands from the current session as well as the other tables playing the same boards. I know that I can click on a particular hand at the bottom right in the board replay pane, but it's a pain (pardon the pun) to click between my table and other tables at that screen compared to just swapping tabs. This feels more like what I have to do when I'm playing on my cell phone, and honestly it's so annoying that at this point I've given up on it in that situation.

Additionally, currently the font size/table column width is funky. There's more scrolling involved, as well.

 

3. Close-ups: Everything feels pushed out at me and way too close up. From the wide spacing of the results pane (see above) too the giant cards in the center of the screen when played, and my hand/dummy's being spread across the width of the screen, smashing the poor names of my playing partner and opponent so much that I don't really notice when someone leaves or is replaced. I also find it more difficult to process my hand and condense the information in my head when it is so spread out across the screen.

 

4. Meanwhile much of the left side of the screen is wasted black space. A tiny corner is dedicated to showing the trick count and has some buttons that I can click to see some bidding/trick history, but it's much harder to keep track of what I'm doing without the visual of the tricks adding up vertical or horizontal, and there's still the wasted space that could just constantly display the bidding.

 

Just my first thoughts. Thanks

[sakuragi]

is there any way to see the completion time of the challenge? in previous flash version it is shown. tks

https://screenshots.firefox.com/R19gd4zmpSBDmgMF/www.bridgebase.com

[barmar]

Thanks for the hard work. Some comments, perhaps just my own opinion.

 

Screenshots in imgur gallery:

https://imgur.com/a/vWnqRxC

 

Not sure if I'm getting the mobile version on a ~13 inch ultrabook sized laptop using the latest google chrome. Tried F11 full-screening as well as ctrl+- to zoom in and out to see if layout changed.

You're getting the desktop version, since you have two columns and the tabs along the right side. The mobile button has just one column, and buttons along the bottom.

[pcouderc]

When we are in the lobby, default chat goes to th lobby. Fine.

But when we enter a table, default chat should switch to "table" instead of remaining in the lobby.

 

Concgratulations, HTML5 is a big progress to get rid of old technologies :

[barmar]

When we are in the lobby, default chat goes to th lobby. Fine.

But when we enter a table, default chat should switch to "table" instead of remaining in the lobby.

 

Concgratulations, HTML5 is a big progress to get rid of old technologies :

This is on the to-do list, to make it more like the old web version.

[moogal]

First off, thanks for giving us all this for free!

 

But, I know I’m a broken record — I see there is no support for voice. I accepted that it was gone from the mobile app and drag out the ol’ Laptop when I want to listen to voice on Vugraph. Does this mean it will go away completely (at least for now) when you move this beta to the production version?

 

Thanks, Janice

[fred]

First off, thanks for giving us all this for free!

 

But, I know I’m a broken record — I see there is no support for voice. I accepted that it was gone from the mobile app and drag out the ol’ Laptop when I want to listen to voice on Vugraph. Does this mean it will go away completely (at least for now) when you move this beta to the production version?

 

Thanks, Janice

There will be voice once we figure out a good solution to a technically complex problem. Sorry I can't predict how long that might take.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[mink]

After having played a few tourneys and Main Bridge Club hands with the HTML5 client using Firefox under Linux, here are my observations:

 

1. In the history of played hands, the columns are not we/they, but NS/EW, like in the app. The we/they layout provides an easier understanding which boards are good for us and which have a bad result, especially if we sit on different compass directions in different rounds.

 

2. Like in the app there are no sums of the IMPs won and lost in the boards played so far, probably due to issue #1.

 

3. Several times when playing in a tourney my first chats went to the lobby, and sometimes I did not recognize this so my opps did not receive my greetings. Chat destination should change to table when the tourney starts.

 

3a. There seems to be no "chat to opps". I use this seldom, but sometimes it is really useful.

 

4. In some lists, e.g. the tables of a running tourney, the scrollbar is so small that it is virtually invisible.

 

5. In the Flash client below this list there used to be a button that enabled me to volunteer as a sub for this tourney only. There is no such button in the HTML5 client. BTW, in the app I did not even find a button to sub at all.

 

6. There is a limit for the number of participants for each tourney, but this number is nowhere displayed. Again, same problem in the app.

 

7. Below the display of an historic board, there is no GIB button.

 

8. The German translation sometimes needs more space than the English original. This is especially awkward with the Round Clock, that was correctly translated to "Rundenzeit". This label word exceeds the box and is truncated. The digit(s) that show the time are visible, but they override the label, sharing the same background, which makes them difficult to recognize.

 

In general, I prefer the HTML5 client over the Flash client, especially as it loads faster, does never stall when I accidentally right click, an displays what I type immediately, while with the Flash client I had to type blind most of the time, and the text would appear some time later (Flash issue under Linux).

[barmar]

There's a good reason why this version has many of the same issues as the mobile app -- it's just an updated version of the app.

[moogal]

There will be voice once we figure out a good solution to a technically complex problem. Sorry I can't predict how long that might take.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

 

Thanks for the info. I’m watching you on Vugraph with Voice right now. Good Luck!

[paulg]

I've been using dealer scripts with the July 31 preview version and they work fine; however I am unable to force North to be the dealer for all the hands.

 

In the Flash version, I would use the general settings to set North as the only dealer and then use the advanced tab to use the dealer script.

 

In the HTML5 version, I cannot find how to set North as the only dealer. The Constraint Set feature for random hands only seems to allow me to set constraints on the North hand rather than force it to be the dealer. Using the dealer(north) command in the dealer script does not seem to be supported and causes an error.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

[edit: this is at a bidding table]

[sakuragi]

did not find the open in web button when looking at result at RHS panel? only the individual hands could be clicked which open in web.

hope it is not by design?

though the rhs has been larger, opening in web in pc desktop is much more comfortable. :ph34r: :ph34r:

same applies to messages - news. tks

[cherdano]

I like the new version.

 

One minor but somewhat annoying thing. When I use the flash version, it opens a new "minimal" browser window, without the bookmarks bar, and without the bar displaying all tabs open within this browser window. When I use the HTML5 version, the bookmark and tab bars are always present. Somehow, two rows of screen space does make quite a bit of difference on my laptop (1920x1080 screen).

 

This is on kubuntu xenial (all updates) with google chrome 68.0.3440.106 (Official Build) (64-bit).

[shikasrini]

I tried using the preview. One of the issue is the size of the play panel versus space for the other items in the panel is skewed against the play area. I feel this is because the software designer has simply ported the screen size dimensions of a mobile device to the larger screen of the lap top or desktop. I feel the feature of giving the option of setting the panel size by the user as available in the browser version should be also made available for the user to set the play area and other panel areas...

[barmar]

I like the new version.

 

One minor but somewhat annoying thing. When I use the flash version, it opens a new "minimal" browser window, without the bookmarks bar, and without the bar displaying all tabs open within this browser window. When I use the HTML5 version, the bookmark and tab bars are always present. Somehow, two rows of screen space does make quite a bit of difference on my laptop (1920x1080 screen).

 

This is on kubuntu xenial (all updates) with google chrome 68.0.3440.106 (Official Build) (64-bit).

That's done by the link on the home page when you have the "Full Screen" checkbox selected, or if you downloaded the desktop shortcut. When this version becomes the real web we should be able to do the same thing. It's not done by the app itself.

[paulg]

My minor criticism is that the History of My Table has too few board results displayed. Each result takes up a lot of space and these could be compacted together. It looks like an HTML table will a lot of cellpadding!

 

The new Gmail has views of Default/Comfortable/Compact. The current display is more along the lines of Default whereas I'd prefer Compact - perhaps there is scope for a compromise :)

[tsankaR]

it is difficult to see the results while the tourney is still in progress. In the old web version, the results tab is on the right side which make the results easier to see and also what other tables played. But now I have to click somewhere and again click for other tables, and again close it to continue playing

[BillHiggin]

I like the new version.

 

One minor but somewhat annoying thing. When I use the flash version, it opens a new "minimal" browser window, without the bookmarks bar, and without the bar displaying all tabs open within this browser window. When I use the HTML5 version, the bookmark and tab bars are always present. Somehow, two rows of screen space does make quite a bit of difference on my laptop (1920x1080 screen).

 

This is on kubuntu xenial (all updates) with google chrome 68.0.3440.106 (Official Build) (64-bit).

 

I am able to get the new version running in full screen mode (i.e. no tabs, address bars, menu bars etc). Currently I am running linux neon bionic (KDE plasma desktop like kubuntu, one LTS version newer than xenial). From the normal BBO launch page, right click on the "try a preview ..." message and select "open in a new window". That new window will still have the assorted space eating bars, but the F11 key will switch to full-screen mode with none of those (not even the system task bar). I have previously done the same thing on a kubuntu xenial system.

[paulg]

I've been using dealer scripts with the July 31 preview version and they work fine; however I am unable to force North to be the dealer for all the hands.

 

In the Flash version, I would use the general settings to set North as the only dealer and then use the advanced tab to use the dealer script.

 

In the HTML5 version, I cannot find how to set North as the only dealer. The Constraint Set feature for random hands only seems to allow me to set constraints on the North hand rather than force it to be the dealer. Using the dealer(north) command in the dealer script does not seem to be supported and causes an error.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

[edit: this is at a bidding table]

I've discovered how to fix North as the dealer but there is a difference (loss) in functionality with the preview release.

 

Previously, with Flash, it combined the general settings with the advanced tab settings - so you could set North as dealer AND have a dealer script. Now I think I can set North as dealer OR have a dealer script. I suspect this is just how it has been converted over rather than by design.

[vocaljazz]

There doesn't seem to be any way to clear the chat history.