Count shortness after fit

[steve2005]

Smolen hand

MP challenge match, advanced botsOk Smolen is a good convention but you are forced to game.

Here you have 8 hcp and a singleton. If you have a fit you have enough for game. If you have no fit you don't enough for game.

So there is no fit, but must bid game so in 23 hcp 3N with no good source of tricks.

Really no chance to make without a favourable lead.

Moral don't count shortness unless you have a fit.

Gib willingly counts shortness when in NT or when shortness is in partner's suit.

Here bidding should go 1N-2C-2D-2H all pass I think.

[smerriman]

For what it's worth - and I would have agreed with your suggested bid - given your hand + dummy's, you're making 53% of the time. So you actually want to be in 3NT regardless of scoring. Perhaps GIB knows something we don't.

[gordontd]

For those without sophisticated agreements in response to 1NT, it could easily go 1NT - 2D - 2H - 2S - 2NT.

[steve2005]

Its all the damn 8's and 9s Gib has that makes 3N decent. That the layout has no real play clouded my view that if cards for opps switched a but there is a chance.

But as afar as I know Gib doesn't consider 8/9's signifcantly unless making a simulation.

This was advanced bots so possible.

But I doubt it. I suspect Gib counted the singleton which gives it enough for a GF.

[virgosrock]

Its all the damn 8's and 9s Gib has that makes 3N decent. That the layout has no real play clouded my view that if cards for opps switched a but there is a chance.

But as afar as I know Gib doesn't consider 8/9's signifcantly unless making a simulation.

This was advanced bots so possible.

But I doubt it. I suspect Gib counted the singleton which gives it enough for a GF.

 

seems like MP go for invite. IMP/MB go for game.