Another Awesome two-suit takeout by GUBBO

[virgosrock]

Pathetic!! Luckily not vul and not doubled. That is the interesting part of the insanity. Nobody doubles!

 

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[Stephen Tu]

I think 5c is an insane overbid on your part.

I think dbl is defensible by North if it is planning on bidding spades naturally next, showing a hand too strong for a natural 2S call in this position. Practice GIB does this if you bid 2c only. That said, it probably is screwed up if you bid a larger # of clubs, not being able to bid spades naturally on other sequences.

 

[virgosrock]

I think 5c is an insane overbid on your part.

I think dbl is defensible by North if it is planning on bidding spades naturally next, showing a hand too strong for a natural 2S call in this position. Practice GIB does this if you bid 2c only. That said, it probably is screwed up if you bid a larger # of clubs, not being able to bid spades naturally on other sequences.

 

I should have said in the original post that 5C is insane. I know that. I just read 2 suited takeout and with my void and 5H I bid 5C. Still insane, yes. Why does the blurb say 2-suited take out? Just bid 2S if in gross contradiction with the blurb. Is the blurb defensible?

[smerriman]

Why does the blurb say 2-suited take out? Just bid 2S if in gross contradiction with the blurb. Is the blurb defensible?

Same reason that if you make a takeout double, it's described as a takeout double, and your partner should interpret it as a takeout double, even though your next bid may show you actually had a strong hand instead. GIB can't combine lots of hand types into a single description.

[steve2005]

Same reason that if you make a takeout double, it's described as a takeout double, and your partner should interpret it as a takeout double, even though your next bid may show you actually had a strong hand instead. GIB can't combine lots of hand types into a single description.

I don't think you can show a good spade hand by doubling and bidding spades later. Maybe I am wrong? please correct.

 

I don't think Virgo bid is completely insane.

North is marked to be short in hearts and 4 or 5 clubs.

This should be a good sacrifice as these colours.

Plus could cause opponents to miss their best contract which in this case is 5♣X which they dutifully missed lol

[virgosrock]

I don't think you can show a good spade hand by doubling and bidding spades later. Maybe I am wrong? please correct.

 

I don't think Virgo bid is completely insane.

North is marked to be short in hearts and 4 or 5 clubs.

This should be a good sacrifice as these colours.

Plus could cause opponents to miss their best contract which in this case is 5♣X which they dutifully missed lol

 

sm is right about the double. i have complained before and he clarified similar to this one and i forgot. sorry sm.

 

with the help of the esteemed diana_eva I was able to start a practice table and import a LIN from my firefox browser "activity" page.

if i bid just 2c GUBBO bids 2S showing long spades and 18+.

 

thanks diana_eva/sTu/sM

[Stephen Tu]

I don't think you can show a good spade hand by doubling and bidding spades later. Maybe I am wrong? please correct.

You can for bidding 2s later. Higher sequences are screwed up and should be fixed.

 

I don't think Virgo bid is completely insane.

North is marked to be short in hearts and 4 or 5 clubs.

This should be a good sacrifice as these colours.

Advanced sac is crazy when you have zero indication the opponents have a fit or are about to bid game. Note that East didn't raise spades or even make a support double. So that means either LHO has a crap ton of spades, or partner is off-shape for some reason.