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Pass forcing bid? - An old unresolved problem


lycier

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This hand is from Robot Challenge.

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Programmers say it will be fixed in next version. GIB is already programmed to pick a minor but on this particular scenario there was some bug with priorities (not sure what this means)

 

Diana what is the web link for current version? I want to be like Stephen Tu and smerriman who can tell you instantly what a GIBid would have meant.

 

thanks

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There is no special web link for "current version". If you are playing on the web site or mobile app you are always on whatever version is currently deployed. The only way I or others figure out what the various bid options mean is either from recent memory of the same sequence, or by simply going to a practice bidding table and forcing a reproduction of your sample auction (control by host E/W bids, swap seats between North/South and make same bids as your problem auction, seat a robot as your partner after forcing his last bid, don't bother having hands match auction except maybe north's if you want to see what a basic bot chooses with a particular hand), then hovering over the bid choices.
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There is no special web link for "current version". If you are playing on the web site or mobile app you are always on whatever version is currently deployed. The only way I or others figure out what the various bid options mean is either from recent memory of the same sequence, or by simply going to a practice bidding table and forcing a reproduction of your sample auction (control by host E/W bids, swap seats between North/South and make same bids as your problem auction, seat a robot as your partner after forcing his last bid, don't bother having hands match auction except maybe north's if you want to see what a basic bot chooses with a particular hand), then hovering over the bid choices.

 

you guys actually do that every time? Lot of work and thank you.

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you guys actually do that every time? Lot of work and thank you.

 

Yup, I do that too, with both basic and advanced robot when I suspect the problem might be basic bot is just being basic. It's not complicated, and quite informative. I also take hands where I screwed up with people and make robots play them to see whether they would "judge" differently :)

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