Improvements please

[JanisW]

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Making 7 on ♥-lead.

Something about our bidding feels odd, but I can not really pinpoint where?

Maybe my feeling is wrong? Any Improvements?

 

regards

Janis

[pescetom]

I'm not sure why West bid ♣ rather than ♦.

I would have chosen ♦ both because that is natural at equal length and because it certainly shows a suit holding, unlike ♣ in our system.

And in that case a 2♠ rebid looks much like 6-card even though it could theoretically still be 5.

With the generous hand of W I would take the risk and bid 3♠, which forces East to control-bid 4♣.

I bid 4♦, he bids 4♥, I bid 4NT showing even KeyCards.

He reads that as two and holding two himself plus the Q he has no qualms to bid 6♠.

 

It doesn't do so well on a ♦ lead though ;)

[steve2005]

West should bid 2D first but this shouldn't affect result .

West normally should bid 6S at end but need to protect KD so maybe 6N

If playing 2.1 West should bid 3S to set trump.

[dsLawsd]

I think West should Q bid the A of hearts instead of 4 Clubs. The suits should perhaps be reversed diamonds then clubs- and the spade K should point to 6 Spades or 6 N to protect the diamond spots.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

Responder showed basically a 6-4 minor hand, with SI.

If you made it a concious decision to start with clubs instead of diamonds,

due to suit quality, that would be ok, and the auction that followes would

be reasonable.

 

The only question to ask is, did responder discover the 6-2 spade fit /

was opener believing he already showed 6 spades.

Another question is, did opener at one point limit his hand, ..., you could

argue that the 6C did, but ..., sometimes 34HCP with a fit make 7, so short

cutting the process by bypassing the key card requests, is of no real help.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[FelicityR]

In my view the problem doesn't lie with the 2♣/3♦ response, but with the 2♠ response indicating possibly a minimum hand with still only 5♠s, in some instances. East's ♠ suit is good with three of the top five honours and six cards.

 

It's easy to say how the bidding should progress seeing both hands, but maybe a bid of 3♥ or 3♠ rather than a direct 3NT from East does give partner the opportunity to show doubleton support in ♠s.

 

If West had a no-trump biased hand to start with after 2♠ then he could have bid 2NT instead of 3♦. Both hands have more than minimum values and fit well, but there are plenty of hands where 4♠ would be a better contract than 3NT if the 2♣ responder's hand was minimum.

[JanisW]

Maybe it helps if I go through my thoughts...

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• 2♣ with the given difference in suit-quality I agree with P to start with 2♣.
  
• 2♠ is kind of a waiting tell me more(12-17), as 2♣ is autoforcing. 2♠ basically denies a 4card red suit, a 5332 12-14 (2NT) and a strong singlesuiter(3♠). You'd want to bid two and a half ♠ but with so much outside the ♠-suit I went 2♠.
  
• 3♦ responder reverse gf
  
• 3NT maybe wrong, I wanted to protect my K♥, 3♥ leaves room for 3♠ from P.
  
• 4♣ I took it as 6-4, with SI in ♣
  
• 6♣ 5 was out of the question (you do not run from 3NT to 5♣, do you?). How to show my good ♣-support (it's the A♣ after all) with a forward going bid? 6♣ felt nice, because it gets across that I have not much more than already promised.
  

Top was 6NT from W obviously, 6♠ from E are down 2 ♦A,Q and a ruff

 

regards

Janis

[kenberg]

Playing with my clone, or someone who sees things my way, I think the auction would begin: 1S-2D-2S-3C-3D-3S.

This doesn't completely describe the hands but it's not bad.

The delayed support of spades presumably is on Hx, and it sounds like responder has at least 9 cards in the minors.

People with sophisticated agreements can presumably do better, but for the rest of us this seems reasonable.

I suppose that 6S is a reasonable contract but spades do not always split 3-2 and sometimes they will take the first two diamond tricks.

So we might or might not reach 6S, which might or might not make.

[P_Marlowe]

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[*]4♣ I took it as 6-4, with SI in ♣

[*]6♣ 5 was out of the question (you do not run from 3NT to 5♣, do you?). How to show my good ♣-support (it's the A♣ after all) with a forward going bid? 6♣ felt nice, because it gets across that I have not much more than already promised.

Top was 6NT from W obviously, 6♠ from E are down 2 ♦A,Q and a ruff

 

regards

Janis

#4 it does

#5 4H should be agreeing clubs and forward going, not necessarily a cue, even if you denied a 4 card heart suit, you could still have something like

QTx in hearts

..., on reflection 4H may be a cue, since 4D would be value showing / a cue

 

In 6S they have to find the diamond lead, the auction indicates a heart lead, xx in diamonds is not very attractive against 6S, a diamond single is of

course a different story.