Mixed cues in partner's suit

[kgr]

Suppose you play second round controls/cues showing A, K, void or singleton.

What control do you show in partner's suit?

 

example Bidding:

1C-(P)-1D-(1S)

2C-(P)-2S-(P)

2NT-(P)-3C-(P)

 

Suppose cue-bid of 2S follwed by 3C does show GF hand with interest in slem Clubs and asks to start control bids.

Your partner did show a 4-card D.

 

What do you prefer in this case:

1. 3D shows A, K, void or singleton D

2. 3D shows A or K D

3. 3D shows A, K or Q D

(and do you always cue like that in a suit you partner showed?)

 

The first most useful if partner has 4 small diamonds. The other two more useful if partner has a good diamond suit and is not waiting for a singleton or void from you.

 

(Also posted on rgb)

[helene_t]

If 3♦ is a cuebid then it can't be a singleton. But maybe it's more useful to show yor exact distribution first and then start cueing afterwards.

[Chamaco]

Suppose you play second round controls/cues showing A, K, void or singleton.

What control do you show in partner's suit?

 

With shortness in pard suit, a common agreement is to deny the cue during the first scan.

If a second cuebid scan is performed, you may then cue, pard will understand you have shortness.

 

An even better agreement is to be able, whenever possible, to describe shortness BEFORE embarking in cuebids :-)

 

example Bidding:

1C-(P)-1D-(1S)

2C-(P)-2S-(P)

2NT-(P)-3C-(P)

 

Suppose cue-bid of 2S follwed by 3C does show GF hand with interest in slem Clubs and asks to start control bids.

Your partner did show a 4-card D.

 

What do you prefer in this case:

1. 3D shows A, K, void or singleton D

2. 3D shows A or K D

3. 3D shows A, K or Q D

(and do you always cue like that in a suit you partner showed?)

 

I prefer a cue shows AK if pard has shown a 4+ card suit; AKQ if the suit has 5+ promised length

[Fluffy]

If you managed to do these at this low level I agree with others a shape, or more likelly a 'weight' bid is in order, such as bidding 3♥ with AQx or similar.

 

But to the question, cuebidding in partner's suit is forbidden in my agreements with shortness, it show A or K. I for my first saw Ben suggesting here to cue bid with the Q as well, never trtied but looks good to me.

 

On the other hand, I never cuebid my own suit with the K, only with the Ace.

[whereagles]

My favourite is 3. (Cue with AKQ. No shortness cues in pd's suit.)

[inquiry]

3♦ shows ACE or KING of diamonds, never a void or singleton.

[mike777]

3♦ shows ACE or KING of diamonds, never a void or singleton.

Agree

[HeartA]

3♦ shows ACE or KING of diamonds, never a void or singleton.

yep. Could be Q as well.

[EricK]

3♦ shows ACE or KING of diamonds, never a void or singleton.

yep. Could be Q as well.

I prefer A or K. It might be different if his bid was at the two level where his suit is likely to be stronger.

 

I definitely agree that we shouldn't be showing a singleton. If partner has a game going hand with slam interest in ♣ then he has no right introducing a very weak outside suit.

 

"Don't bid weak suits on strong hands"

 

Eric

[Guest Jlall]

Why would bids at this point have anything to do with control bidding anyways? We are below 3N and are still searching for the right contract and trying to find out how our hands mesh.

[inquiry]

Why would bids at this point have anything to do with control bidding anyways? We are below 3N and are still searching for the right contract and trying to find out how our hands mesh.

Because of the condition placed upon the answer by the initial poster, which was"

 

Suppose cue-bid of 2S follwed by 3C does show GF hand with interest in slem Clubs and asks to start control bids.

 

What do you prefer in this case:

1. 3D shows A, K, void or singleton D

2. 3D shows A or K D

3. 3D shows A, K or Q D

(and do you always cue like that in a suit you partner showed?)

[Guest Jlall]

I understand that, I'm questioning the merits of that agreement.

[Winstonm]

In this and similar sequences, say 1S-2C-2D-2S-3D-3H-4C*, I like the cue bid in partner's suit to show a "card" most likely Qx or Kx as it seems more important to see if this knowledge helps pard judge his suit as a source of tricks for our high-level contract.

 

winstonm

[Winstonm]

However, I am with JLall on this point of the auction that it is too early to determine if this is a slam hand.

 

However, under the conditions given that it MUST be a slam try, then partner needs either shortness with good trump support or a side suit as a source of tricks.

 

On this auction, I would expect Ax, Kxx, AKxxx, QJx if it is a slam try, otherwise why not splinter?. A cue bid of the Q of diamonds, either singleton or double helps this hand a lot.

 

WinstonM

[kgr]

Summary of the answers is:

First time you cue in partners suit never shows singleton or void, but shows A, K (or Q).

 

It maks no sense to cue after:

1C-(P)-1D-(1S)

2C-(P)-2S-(P)

2NT-(P)-3C-(P)

I'm not convinced about this sencond point if playing MP's:

The opener showed a stop in S and a 6-card C.

The responder showed Club support and 4+card D.

For me it looks like responder wants to know how well the cards fit before they go over 3NT and he is interested to know if p has a D honour.

His hand will be something like:

xx=Axx=AQTxx=KJx