steve2005 Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Has anyone read Milkwood (WBF Compliant): A Strong Club System of Bidding for Tournament Play at Contract Bridge by Tomas Dullen 2016Has anyone read this and know what it covers?. I was looking for a summary of system online but couldn't find. As says is WBF compliant I am assuming this might be a European system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Has anyone read Milkwood (WBF Compliant): A Strong Club System of Bidding for Tournament Play at Contract Bridge by Tomas Dullen[ 2016Has anyone read this and know what it covers?. I was looking for a summary of system online but couldn't find. As says is WBF compliant I am assuming this might be a European system america is part of the world too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 In jest only. Milkwood is a system that was invented Welsh Professional Bridge Players after reading Dylan Thomas :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 http://www.english-literature.uni-bayreuth.de/en/teaching/documents/courses/Dylan-Thomas_Under-Milk-Wood.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Yes, I have the book, published 2017, 2nd edition.MILKWOOD, A Strong Club System of Bidding for Tournament Play at Contract Bridge. Complies with England's BLUE BOOK: Handbook of EBU Permitted Understandings. 1♣ = 16+ hcp, unless one of the below applies:2♦ = 21-22 Balanced2♠ = 21+ and 4441, No singleton Ace2NT = 21+ and 1=4=4=4 Responses to 1♣:1♦ = 0-7 hcp1♥ = 8 hcp1♠ = 9-101NT = 11-122♣ = 13-142♦ = 15-162♥, 2♠ = 0-4 and 6-cd suit2NT = ?3♣, 3♦ = 0-5 and 7-cd suit3♥, 3♠ = ?3NT = 17-186NT = 19-207NT = 21+ Enough already, can't find the missing bids easily in the book. Benito Garozzo said "Distribution is King." Thus, showing hcp or controls to a 1♣ opening is NOT the modern approach used by many in their Strong Club Systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 [/indent]Responses to 1♣:1♦ = 0-7 hcp1♥ = 8 hcp1♠ = 9-101NT = 11-122♣ = 13-142♦ = 15-162♥, 2♠ = 0-4 and 6-cd suit2NT = ?3♣, 3♦ = 0-5 and 7-cd suit3♥, 3♠ = ?3NT = 17-186NT = 19-207NT = 21+ omg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 Sounds like a dream for one of my partners who believes knowing points is more important than distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozyDom Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 Sounds like a dream for one of my partners who believes knowing points is more important than distribution.And a nightmare for the rest of us... Is this seriously from something published only two years ago? Or indeed, this millennium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 And a nightmare for the rest of us... I've posted details of my partner's 1C responses in a topic a few years back, but can't find it for some reason. And yes, it is a nightmare for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Did PhilG pen this tripe? By the way, when I read the title, I thought it was "WBF "Complaint"" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 May I suggest these other opening bids??? 1♦ = 12 HCP1♥ = 13 HCP1♠ = 14 HCP1NT = 15 HCP These are precision opening bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yadny Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 The system looks excellent overall, but I would suggest one tweak. Once responder's exact point count is known (e.g. after 1♣-1♥), opener will usually be able to place the contract immediately, but they may require further information about their partner's strength. I propose that opener's lowest step should be an artificial enquiry for Middle Card Point (MCP) strength, where T = 4 MCP9 = 3 MCP8 = 2 MCP7 = 1 MCP with responder showing MCP in a similar scheme to the one for HCP described above. It's true that this gives up a natural bid, but in most cases (e.g. 1♣-1♥-1♠) this bid is of limited utility and would rarely be made - the ability to determine partner's MCP count is more useful than showing length in spades, which could always be accomplished with a 2♠ bid anyway. To illustrate the methods further, suppose that opener holds the following hand ♠ AKQJ9♥ AKQJ♦ AKQ9♣ - and hears a 1♠ response to their 1♣ opening, which shows 9 or 10 HCP. Opener has an automatic 1NT bid, as a strength enquiry. Once responder shows 10 HCP alongside opener's 29, they know that the missing point is one of the minor suit jacks. 7NT will be a comfortable contract if partner possesses the jack of diamonds, but it would be foolhardy to bid a grand slam prematurely with no certain entry to partner's clubs. For example, if partner holds ♠ - ♥ 32 ♦ 32 ♣ AKQJT5432, even 6NT is a poor contract, requiring a 4-4 spade split or the ♠T to be short, approximately 55% overall. Most systems would flounder when confronted with this bidding problem, but opener's ability to find out about their partner's MCP would come to the rescue: 1♣* - 1♠**1NT*** - 2♦****2♥*** - 5♦***** *Strong**9-10 HCP***Enquiry****10 HCP*****26-27 MCP At this point, opener knows that the partnership possesses 32 or 33 combined MCP. If responder holds the 10 of spades or the jack of diamonds, 7NT is cold, and if they hold neither of these cards, their only possible 26-MCP hand is ♠ 8♥ T98♦ T8♣ AKQJT98 Opener can therefore bid 7♣, pass or correct. Responder actually held ♠ T8♥ T98♦ T87♣ AKQJT and naturally corrected to 7NT. The system was necessary to bid the slam with certainty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 And a nightmare for the rest of us... Is this seriously from something published only two years ago? Or indeed, this millennium? Isn't this pretty close to CC Wei's original design for precision which he rapidly rejected and went back to the drawing board ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I think that Dylan Thomas wrote a Welsh version of the book? It didn't quite reach the heights of Tomas Dullen's book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Well at least i was smart enough to check before i sent my money in. Ghastly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozyDom Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Well at least i was smart enough to check before i sent my money in. Ghastly.It is also available on amazon with a "look inside" feature... not that I would recommend looking inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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