Gerben42 Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sak75hjt953dqt73c]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Auction so far:1♦ (1♥) Dbl* (Pass)2♦ (Pass) Your doubled showed 4 Spades or a very strong hand, 1♠ would have shown 5 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 I am an "other" man. 2♥ is my bid. Notrump could still be our spot. I expect partner to show club values now if he has them. We make 3NT opposite as little as xxxxAKxxxxAxx My LHO has clubs, probably 6 of them, but he wasn't able to bid them because the poor soul has no heart fit! So he couldn't stand a heart rebid by partner. My partner's rebid was enough to keep my RHO away from introducing clubs. I can always get back to diamonds later if NT is no option. No rush, EW are out of it now. 2♥ seems the most flexible bid at this point. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 (edited) Is there a way to add more options to the poll or to delete and restart it? Edited: Thanks for fixing my poll :) Edited May 2, 2005 by Gerben42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Is there a way to add more options to the poll or to delete and restart it?We might have 2♥ and 2NT in there somehow... Only moderators can. So you must wait for Ben, Gerardo, Fred, Uday, jjsb or rain to come online. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 i voted for 5♦... 3nt could be our spot, but i doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 I voted 4D but I am reconsidering now... I do believe that many features tend to suggest that the hand will take 2+ trick in diamonds than NT:- void in clubs- good support- length in H (probably heart shortness in opener's hand) = likely x-ruff- TOP controls in spades The big risk is that heart shortness is NOT in p's hand but in LHO's hand and they start with AK and a ruff in H. So, while I believe the hand is better suited for diamonds, starting low with 2H allows to verify where are pard's side values, and to evaluate better the prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Hum.. interesting problem. We can easily belong in 6, even opposite a min hand like QxxxAKxxxxQxx I think I try 2H now, intending to follow up with 3 or 4D. There shouldn't be any problem with LHO bidding clubs because 2H doesn't necessarily show a fit, making a 3C bid by LHO rather risky. However, if LHO is an aggressive (though not strong player) he might bid 3C anyway, so in that case I might try 4D instead of 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 5♣, should be void ♣ and good support in ♦... Let p decide if it's gonna be small or grand slam, or even only a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Sorry about having to add 2H and 2NT at end of the poll, but if I move everything down so that 2H and 2NT come in order, the votes already cast would be assigned to the wrong bids (people voting for first choice, for example would still vote for the first choice despite the changed answer). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 4C, splinter. Describing my hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegru Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Splinter is the best, but I would be scared to bid it now if situation is undiscussed. Partner could have different ideas about meaning of 4 ♣ bid here. In IMPs 5♦ looks like a clear cut, but it is matchpoints. I don't think bidding on the other tables will go to the same way. Negative dbl often promise something in ♣ and it will not everyone's choice. Hard to imagine that happened, but I am not ready to bid 5♦ - probabbly the final bid. Do we have any special agreements about 3♦ and 4♦ bids?If not I would try 3♦. Risky, but... Probably Partner will not pass now and give some usefull information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Bypassing 3NT at pairs is silly in my opinion. Partner could even be loaded in clubs: JxxxAxxxxxAQJ Bid 2♥ and trust partner if he bids 3♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Not sure about what people agreement's around here are, but when opponents ahve bid a suit, we only splinter on that suit, others become nat or fit showing. I'll start with 2♥, my partners tend to bid 2NT with ♥Kx, and you can be sure where we belong then :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Not sure about what people agreement's around here are, but when opponents ahve bid a suit, we only splinter on that suit, others become nat or fit showing. Yes, that was my understanding too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 4C-splinter. I don't know why this would be natural as I could bid 3C or could have bid 2C over 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 4C-splinter. I don't know why this would be natural as I could bid 3C or could have bid 2C over 1H. Could be fitshowing with a 2suiter unsuited for NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Nice that you are so sure Fluffy but how do you know if you are not in 3NT down 2 with 5♦ cold? (The second round of hearts gets ruffed), or vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Bypassing 3NT at pairs is silly in my opinion. Partner could even be loaded in clubs: JxxxAxxxxxAQJ Bid 2♥ and trust partner if he bids 3♣. Roland Hi, right, it is dangerous... But even with your given hand, it will be only 3NT=, which is thesame as 5C=. In 5C you may have the chance playing for an overtrick with ceratin safety level. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 4C-splinter. I don't know why this would be natural as I could bid 3C or could have bid 2C over 1H. Could be fitshowing with a 2suiter unsuited for NT. 2 suiter? if it shows clubs and diamonds, and i already showed spades... hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Bypassing 3NT at pairs is silly in my opinion. Partner could even be loaded in clubs: JxxxAxxxxxAQJ Bid 2♥ and trust partner if he bids 3♣. Roland Hi, right, it is dangerous... But even with your given hand, it will be only 3NT=, which is thesame as 5C=. In 5C you may have the chance playing for an overtrick with ceratin safety level. With kind regardsMarlowe Overtrick? With that hand you are in danger of going down in 5♦ with 3NT virtually cold. 5 of a minor at pairs is the last resort. They need to twist my arms or convince me that one suit is wide open before I bid 5mi. Minors are suits you bid (they are only there because someone decided that we must have 4 suits), but not what you play at game level if you can avoid it. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 4C splinter 3C is game force with c and s3nt versus possible minor slam never ending issue but if I cannot show D support, spade values, and a side void with one simple bid, GOOD GRIEF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 oh this is matchpoints...then I change my vote lol. Matchpoints is a sick game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Agree, albeit belatedly, with the 2H bid. What is the rush to splinter the hand? I need more information from partner. We're in a forcing situation if I bid 2H followed by diamond support. And.....I don't know at this point that P doesn't have xx in hearts. 4-card suit overcalls (for the lead, P) seem to be getting more common. All I know about partner's hand (I think) is that he/she has 6 diamonds, likely no other 5+ card suit, and fewer than 4 spades. And if the opps bid, will that cause problems? Probably not, it might help to clarify things. I try to avoid by-passing 3NT at MPs unless confident in that decision, and 5 of minor is rarely a very good results. (We had a saying when much younger: "6 Diamonds always makes.) DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 5D, but 3NT is close at matchpoints. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Nice that you are so sure Fluffy but how do you know if you are not in 3NT down 2 with 5♦ cold? (The second round of hearts gets ruffed), or vice versa. I voted for 2♥ mate, wich is the one who gives you the most space to investigate preciselly that :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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