diana_eva Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Stephen Tu, Your challenge awaits 10 boards MPs 64 is way too much I have other things to do This is a challenge not a Marathon (!)http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gifIf you defeat me,I will make no further comments on these forums This is my solemn promise.If,however I beat you then you will apologise for your disparaging remarks and recognise me for the advanced player that I amDo you agree to the terms of the challenge or are you just another hot air balloon ?! QFT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Stephen Tu, Your challenge awaits 10 boards MPs 64 is way too much I have other things to do This is a challenge not a Marathon (!)http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gifIf you defeat me,I will make no further comments on these forums This is my solemn promise.If,however I beat you then you will apologise for your disparaging remarks and recognise me for the advanced player that I amDo you agree to the terms of the challenge or are you just another hot air balloon ?! I'll play your ten board challenge, but not agree to your stipulation recognizing you as an advanced player if you happen to win. If you were advanced you'd recognize that over ten boards one's opponent might get lucky, and would prefer a longer match. Short matches give the weaker opponent a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Does anyone else find this 'mine is bigger than yours' discussion objectionable? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 I'll play your ten board challenge, but not agree to your stipulation recognizing you as an advanced player if you happen to win. If you were advanced you'd recognize that over ten boards one's opponent might get lucky, and would prefer a longer match. Short matches give the weaker opponent a chance. OK what length then? You decide but 64 is too long.. And as for "getting lucky" there's no such thing Bridge is a game of skill. Its all about ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 OK what length then? You decide but 64 is too long.. And as for "getting lucky" there's no such thing Bridge is a game of skill. Its all about ability Well you were the one that objected to 64, state the longest you are willing to do. The software allows 16 at a time, in my experience the biggest lag is in just setting up the challenge and the other person playing the boards, not the number of boards each set (not huge difference playing 16 boards vs. 12, as one can play a board quickly against bots). So 48? 32?I'd also want to use the advanced bots, I can set up the challenges if you wish. Bridge is a game of skill in the long run, but there is still a significant amount of luck in short matches. For instance, a single board may hinge on a two-way guess for a finesse, where there is no clue from the bidding or the play, and one player may simply guess the board better. Or one player sets up a clever endplay to avoid the 2-way guess altogether, showing superior skill, but the other player ties the board by simply guessing right. There are hands where the superior line unluckily loses to an inferior line to due to the lie of the cards. Or you bid a 75% slam your opponent doesn't, but this happens to be the 25% of the time it goes down. Or bot does something silly in the bidding or play and screws one player or the other. The longer the match, the more instances like these will tend to even out and revert to the mean, leaving skill as the determining factor. But in a short match, a couple of lucky results and a string of flat boards can let a lucky player win. In a long match I, playing with my peers, have close to zero chance against some subset combo of our local world class players Martel/Woolsey/Stansbys/Rosenbergs. I'm usually going to get clobbered over 60+ boards. But over only 8 boards, I am going to win the match a decent measurable chunk of the time, and have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Well you were the one that objected to 64, state the longest you are willing to do. The software allows 16 at a time, in my experience the biggest lag is in just setting up the challenge and the other person playing the boards, not the number of boards each set (not huge difference playing 16 boards vs. 12, as one can play a board quickly against bots). So 48? 32?I'd also want to use the advanced bots, I can set up the challenges if you wish. Bridge is a game of skill in the long run, but there is still a significant amount of luck in short matches. For instance, a single board may hinge on a two-way guess for a finesse, where there is no clue from the bidding or the play, and one player may simply guess the board better. Or one player sets up a clever endplay to avoid the 2-way guess altogether, showing superior skill, but the other player ties the board by simply guessing right. There are hands where the superior line unluckily loses to an inferior line to due to the lie of the cards. Or you bid a 75% slam your opponent doesn't, but this happens to be the 25% of the time it goes down. Or bot does something silly in the bidding or play and screws one player or the other. The longer the match, the more instances like these will tend to even out and revert to the mean, leaving skill as the determining factor. But in a short match, a couple of lucky results and a string of flat boards can let a lucky player win. In a long match I, playing with my peers, have close to zero chance against some subset combo of our local world class players Martel/Woolsey/Stansbys/Rosenbergs. I'm usually going to get clobbered over 60+ boards. But over only 8 boards, I am going to win the match a decent measurable chunk of the time, and have. OK 48 boards You set it up. Let's just get this thing settled once and for all At least by starting this challenge,I'll have proved one thing,Whatever else I may be,I'm no coward Bring it on!!! Head to head :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 OK I set up first segment under my other alias stephtu. You can ignore the 10 board challenge you set up against my full name, just let it expire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Does anyone else find this 'mine is bigger than yours' discussion objectionable? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Does anyone else find this 'mine is bigger than yours' discussion objectionable?Well, surely the chance of PhilG007 shutting up forever is worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Well, surely the chance of PhilG007 shutting up forever is worth it? It's been said you should never argue with idiots So I'm not arguing. They're more to be pitied than scoldedhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Well, surely the chance of PhilG007 shutting up forever is worth it? Without in any way wishing to take sides, I think there are more important things to worry about. If anything gets shut up I'd rather see an end to the large number of threads complaining about how GIB has messed up yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Nick I pm ed you my reply about this in order to prevent a hijack of the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 OK I set up first segment under my other alias stephtu. You can ignore the 10 board challenge you set up against my full name, just let it expire. I hope you guys are planning to inform us about the result of the match of the century sometime soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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