Raise, rebid, or reverse?

[nekthen]

Sure, ..., but you will hopefully agree, that there are other hands, when game makes and 2D gets passed out.

Playing light reverses, light 3D rebids, for me the hand is strong enough to go with 3D, if your requirements

are higher, go with 2D. Be happy if you are the only one in 2D=, but hopefully you know, you will once in a

while be the only one, not in 3NT=.

 

Bridge is always a balance of probabilities. Yes, once in a while, I will lose. IMO I will win more often than I will lose and that is what matters. Also my partner will strain harder to bid again because the top end of my 2♦ is known to be high.

[P_Marlowe]

Bridge is always a balance of probabilities. Yes, once in a while, I will lose. IMO I will win more often than I will lose and that is what matters.

 

yes.

 

Also my partner will strain harder to bid again because the top end of my 2♦ is known to be high.

 

which may result in going down more often.

But most important is, what works and with what one feels happy.

[Cyberyeti]

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You are all getting too excited. Partner may well have scraped together a response. He can bid again with a decent hand. Here he can pass 2♦ and get an easy top in this room.

 

Partner's hand was actually AQxxx, Jxx, x, xxxx you made 2♦, unfortunately opps made 4♠

[msjennifer]

A 1D opening CAN be a prepared bid. The hand does not have enough strength either to reverse with a Bid of 2H or bid a false 2S.It is not good enough to rebid3D just now.The hand is a normal11/15 HCP hand.Game is not possible unless partner can make a bid over 2D.Considering all these points my bid is a straightforward 2D.

[msjennifer]

Partner's hand was actually AQxxx, Jxx, x, xxxx you made 2♦, unfortunately opps made 4♠

Sir,and on which sequence did they reach 4S?Do you FULLY agree with the sequence?

[Stephen Tu]

Sir,and on which sequence did they reach 4S?Do you FULLY agree with the sequence?

 

1d-1s-2h-2s-3s-4s would be pretty routine with that holding, for those of us willing to reverse.

[PhilG007]

Tough IMPs game, uncontested auction. You open 1♦ and partner responds 1♠. What's your rebid?

 

♠KTx

♥KQ9

♦AKT9xx

♣x

 

Discussion welcome. I made my choice and subsequently wondered if I could have chosen better.

 

2♦ Yes you have 15 hcp but it doesn't merit a double jump in diamonds. You can't raise the spades as you only have three and partner

might only have a 4 card suit and a 4-3 fit in a major is not a consummation devoutly to be wished.. Bidding NTs is taboo because of the singleton. You can't reverse as you have the

neither the pointage(16+minimum) nor the distribution(5-4 minimum) to satisfy the requirements for a reverse.

All in all it comes down to a process of elimination. If Partner has anything further to say,he will bid again and you can then evaluate the situation in the

light of what that rebid is.For the present,you've done what you were asked to do,keep the bidding open to give partner a chance to further describe his hand

if need be.

[Cyberyeti]

Sir,and on which sequence did they reach 4S?Do you FULLY agree with the sequence?

 

I should probably have added a meaningless J to the small hand, I would open the big hand a strong club (the intermediates and suit mean I treat it as 16) and then give a 1♠ positive response FG.

 

It's easy enough to get there in a competitive auction as you can appreciate the lack of club wastage, more difficult unopposed. 1♦-(2♣)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3♠ (middle way of 3 of bidding spades)-P-4♠ gets there without a particularly optimistic view, I might even show it as the best way of bidding spades in the context of being unable to X or bid 2♠ first time.

 

I've also played in partnerships where we would open the small hand 2♠ which would probably get there.

[nekthen]

Partner's hand was actually AQxxx, Jxx, x, xxxx you made 2♦, unfortunately opps made 4♠

 

My partner would rebid his excellent spade suit

1♦ 1♠

2♦ 2♠

4♠

[Cyberyeti]

My partner would rebid his excellent spade suit

1♦ 1♠

2♦ 2♠

4♠

 

If I did that, partner would have a 1453 11 count (we play weak NT so a 1N rebid not an option).

[msjennifer]

Of course it does not need wisdom to construct hypothetical imaginary hands to justify ones bids.It is very easy to say “if partner has this and partner has that then we make” .It is a big relief to see that quite a few have made the same 2D bid.

[msjennifer]

Cancelled

[Stephen Tu]

My partner would rebid his excellent spade suit

1♦ 1♠

2♦ 2♠

4♠

 

Except this time partner had x AQxx KQJTxx xx and you go like down 3 in 2s instead of making 2d.

 

It's standard for rebidding 2M over a 2m rebid to show 6, not just 5 carder.

[msjennifer]

I should probably have added a meaningless J to the small hand, I would open the big hand a strong club (the intermediates and suit mean I treat it as 16) and then give a 1♠ positive response FG.

 

It's easy enough to get there in a competitive auction as you can appreciate the lack of club wastage, more difficult unopposed. 1♦-(2♣)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3♠ (middle way of 3 of bidding spades)-P-4♠ gets there without a particularly optimistic view, I might even show it as the best way of bidding spades in the context of being unable to X or bid 2♠ first time.

 

I've also played in partnerships where we would open the small hand 2♠ which would probably get there.

Agree to disagree.

[sfi]

1d-1s-2h-2s-3s-4s would be pretty routine with that holding, for those of us willing to reverse.

 

So routine, in fact, that I am surprised there is any disagreement about this sequence.

[Stephen Tu]

Of course it does not need wisdom to construct hypothetical imaginary hands to justify ones bids.It is very easy to say "if partner has this and partner has that then we make" .It is a big relief to see that quite a few have made the same 2D bid.

 

True. But your statement "game is not possible unless partner can move 2d" was demonstrably false. There are a lot of moderate hands with 5 cd spades and 8/9 hcp or so that make game that cant sensibly move over 2d, because they would get too high opposite the way more common 12/13 6 cd diamond no spade fit hands. Even some hands with bad 6 cd spade suit might not move holding a diamond fit, as you might be correcting a comfortable 9 cd fit into a 6-1 or 6-0 fit.

 

So 2d absolutely risks missing game.

 

Now reversing absolutely has the chance of overbidding. But consider that on a lot of hands where you posit that you are overboard in 3d (2d is limit) because partner is weak, the opponents will have half the deck, and would have contested the auction already, or may balance into a making 2h/3c. In those cases you are no longer losing by being in 3d-1 if you weren't going to buy it for 2d.

[sfi]

The problem with a reverse is you cannot stop at 3 diamonds---there is no trouble converting heart to spades. If you rebid 3 diamonds over 2nt(NF) then I think 2 hearts is clear. If you do not have that agreement you make your best guess. I would be aggressive at imps but that is just me.

 

I don't think I have come across anyone who has actually discussed continuations over a reverse that cannot stop in 3D. Responder will have some sort of a weakness bid (most frequently 2NT on this auction), after which the partnership can play 3 of any of the denominations (typically, opener can bid 3D to show a minimum reverse and then a weak responder can attempt to place the contract).

 

There are various sets of continuations, but all the ones I have seen have the same sort of features.

[PhilG007]

Of course it does not need wisdom to construct hypothetical imaginary hands to justify ones bids.It is very easy to say "if partner has this and partner has that then we make" .It is a big relief to see that quite a few have made the same 2D bid.

 

There is much to be said for bidding your own hand,not your partner'shttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

[Vampyr]

This is the bridge world hand of death.

Either you have a bid that covers this exact hand or whatever you bid could turn out wrong.

 

You can use a method where the lowest reverse shows:

 

a) a 6-3 hand of at least invitational strength

b) a 4-card raise too good to raise to game, or

c) a real reverse

[MrAce]

You can use a method where the lowest reverse shows:

 

a) a 6-3 hand of at least invitational strength

b) a 4-card raise too good to raise to game, or

c) a real reverse

 

 

 

All know my choice is 2♦ as I voted.

 

I asked to couple of friends, world class players.

I do not post their replies only when they agree with me.

Fwiw, David Gold, who I really like a lot both as person and his bridge skills, said he would reverse 2♥ if he does not have a tool suggested by Vampyr.

[kuhchung]

agree with everything Stephen has said

 

Jdonn a long time ago posted on the forums (if my memory hasn't failed me) that he would always reverse instead of jump rebidding the diamond suit

[bravejason]

Suppose partner has a strong hand with 3 hearts. With the reverse, you might run into this problem:

1D - 1S

2H - 4NT

 

Maybe you convert 6H into 6S and luck into an 8 card trump fit. Maybe you are doomed to a seven card trump fit regardless. Maybe it doesn’t matter. Maybe your partner wouldn’t barge into Blackwood like that.

[ahydra]

So risky to lie about a major suit's length. 1D-1S; 2H and partner jumps to 4H with 5-4 majors. You try 4S but partner thinks that's a cue for hearts and you end up in slam going off. If you have agreements that you might bid 3 card majors, OK, but undiscussed this is a big risk. Edit: crossposted with bravejason who makes a similar point

 

Also can't understand 2D. This hand plays two tricks better than your traditional 2D junk Kx Kxx AJTxxx xx. Partner will pass too often. (Perhaps it depends on whether you have some gadget to show a 18-21 hand e.g. 3NT rebid, if not you may want to make 3x rebids a bit stronger to split opener's range more evenly.)

 

ahydra

[Stephen Tu]

So risky to lie about a major suit's length. 1D-1S; 2H and partner jumps to 4H with 5-4 majors. You try 4S but partner thinks that's a cue for hearts and you end up in slam going off. If you have agreements that you might bid 3 card majors, OK, but undiscussed this is a big risk. Edit: crossposted with bravejason who makes a similar point

 

Vs. unknowledgeable partner any sequence has risk, of course vs. random BBO partner you have to judge whether partner will be able to handle it and whether you are trying for best result under those circumstances or you are willing to suffer bad result and teach partner something later. And many beginner/ints have trouble on reverse sequences, which is why we have reverse primer sticky thread at the top of this forum. Note mikeh mentioned 3 cd reverse at the end of his article.

 

But should not be risky with good partner. 3 cd reverse has been commonly discussed strategy in lots of books and articles, BW master solver's club type panels. Good partner will not jump to blackwood, will try set hearts forcing with 3H, and will respect your correction of his proposed final contracts to spades. It is not some obscure strategy that good players should be surprised by.

[cleveritis]

no bid other than 2H is correct... most people play a) that forcing, b) forces 2S with 5... then 2S, 3S and partner can bid 3N with good clubs, and you can bid an easy 4s with AQxx, jxx, xxx, Axx where 3N needs a lot of luck