NickRW Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 I open this hand (2N by preference, if available). Pass now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 One thing to consider in what you do on this hand is how useful either hand will be for the other hand in any contract bid. For this hand, any holding responder has in ♥ may not be of any use whatsoever to opener in a minor contract. OTOH, opener's HCs are very likely to provide some tricks for responder's hand when responder holds something like ♠ xxx♥ KQxxxx♦ xx♣ xx This consideration is a theme that recurs through hands from time to time. If you think about it, running out of 1 NT to a long suit in a weak hand is one of the variations of this theme. But definitely something useful to think about when it comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 My reticence to open is probably due to playing more than 95% rubber bridge and less than 5% club bridge these days. You are probably right in saying I am out of touch, but I am sure that in every book that I have read about light openings, the suit quality in the long suits was paramount. Funny, but I see a lot of similar reticence in the really good players that I play with and against. They are aggressive, but pick their spots to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 When playing a standard system ,before opening this hand I would have considered my rebids.This hand is a weak opening hand .Make the minors majors and there are no problems The diamond suit is weak,Personally ,I,will open this hand 1C .If parner has D iamonds he will bid them.On partners 1H response there is a very convenient rebid of 2C.And if now partners bids 2H which is a nonforcing bid I shall PASS.I do not mind if we miss a 5-3 Diamond fit.Playing Precision this hand is a very easy 1D opener limited to 15HCP maximum and 2+D,over partners bid of 1H there is an easy 2C bid which shows a 5Card suit and a hand not suited for 2C opening.On partners 2H its a simple PASS.However ,I feel, quite a few Precision players may not open this hand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted May 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 I open this hand (2N by preference, if available). Pass now Are 3H / 3S responses to 2NT opening for the minors looking for a 3-card support with max values to play 4M? I really do not understand a 2NT opening - treating the hand as two-suited. Surely the hand is very useful in support of spades? heart76: If you are playing a 2NT opening as showing both minors, you have presumably discussed your response structure? It might be useful on this hand if 3♥/♠ showed a five-card suit and was looking for game in hearts / spades, but I very much doubt that this is optimal. You might consider: - 3♥/♠ as a probe for 3NT shpwing (or denying) a heart / spade stop. - 3♥/♠ as a slam try in clubs / diamonds respectively (my preference). I'm sure that others might think of other uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 I really do not understand a 2NT opening - treating the hand as two-suited. Surely the hand is very useful in support of spades? It comes down to probabilities. What is the average expectation that partner will hold 5+ spades? What is the average expectation that partner will hold 3+ cards in either minor (note that we don't know for sure in this instance that partner doesn't have 3 clubs in particular)? I agree that there will be times when a 2N opener will be the losing choice (as here - probably), but on the relatively rare times I've had the bid available in a partnership I haven't usually regretted using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 It comes down to probabilities. What is the average expectation that partner will hold 5+ spades? What is the average expectation that partner will hold 3+ cards in either minor (note that we don't know for sure in this instance that partner doesn't have 3 clubs in particular)? I agree that there will be times when a 2N opener will be the losing choice (as here - probably), but on the relatively rare times I've had the bid available in a partnership I haven't usually regretted using it. This is self serving analysis. When you have a spade fit you are likely to get game bonus much more often than you will get game bonus on a minor fit.And you are talking as if only those who plays 2 NT as minors will land in minor part score or game, which is not necessarily the case. Basically when you open 2 NT with this hand, you are gaining a preemptive value and a slight advantage on finding minor based games, slams or part score. (because those who open 1♦ can also end up finding them). But you are in huge disadvantage when pd has spades and/or in big misfit hands because you have no way to play anything below 3 level. I am not saying it is a bad thing. Just saying it is not such a huge advantage to open 2 NT as you think of it. Not even mentioning the loss of natural 2 NT opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 When you find youself in a hole... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 This is self serving analysis. Maybe. Perhaps it is more a case of not wanting to type long replies that often don't get read. Anyway, your comments are fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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