What do you bid if anything (Part 2)

[sirjimmy]

Mps Nil all

 

P 1♦ 4♠ ??

 

♠-

♥ATxxx

♦x

♣QT97xxx

 

 

What do you bid ?

[Cyberyeti]

System matters here, what NT are you playing, how many diamonds has partner shown ?

[FelicityR]

Same as last time - Pass. Yes, it's all distributional, and distribution counts not just high card points, but to bid here you should have some tolerance of partner's suit and a lot more than one quick trick. If the opponents had overcalled just 1♠, there's a double there, but pushing partner to the five level with this hand is dizzy, even at MPs.

[Tramticket]

This is fundamentally different to your initial question:

(1) In the original version partner's 3♦ is weak and distributional. Now the 1♦ opening will not be weak and is limited only by the failure to open 2♣.

(2) In the original version, the opponent's 4♠ was likely to be strong (you don't pre-empt over a pre-empt). Now, the opposing 4♠ is quite possibly very weak and distributional (depending on the company that you keep).

 

In the first version there was no realistic possibility of making anything. Now there is a real risk in passing and missing game or even slam.

 

It isn't easy - that is why they pre-empt. As Cyberyeti says, it matters what your system is and what your agreements are. Assuming that a double will be takeout / values, I will probably risk a double - but I am not giving many defensive tricks if partner passes and I am not giving a helpful dummy if partner repeats her diamonds.

[gszes]

hmmm lho passed hand and rho has made a preemptive bid AND I have very few HCP (though lots of offensive potential). Partner rates to be strong and the 4s bid can make their life quite difficult. Unlike the scenario where partner opened 3d, where any action we took was expected to go down a lot, this situation if far less fraught with peril. I have no problems with bidding

 

5c

 

now and if p corrects to 5d I will chime in further with 5h. The doubling may start now but there is just too much offensive fire power here to not give our side the best chance at not only strain but slam.

[PhilG007]

Mps Nil all

 

P 1♦ 4♠ ??

 

♠-

♥ATxxx

♦x

♣QT97xxx

 

 

What do you bid ?

I give the same answer as I did in Part One for the same reasons given. Anyone who takes action on the above hand

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[Defcon0]

I think we all know anything can be right. I wouldn't assume the 4s call is premptive though. Opposite a passed hand partner a 4s bid could be on anything.

 

Still, pard could have the big hand and if we make a call on these cards the next a stop could be something at the 6 level.

 

My own methods in thus situation are:

 

Pass - nothing to say

Dbl - general values (nottake out per se) without promising a spade stack

4nt - 2 suited take out (I give up on blackwood) usually having values

5c, 5h - my suit + values

5d - support with values

5nt - GSF in diamonds

5s - looking for a grand, likely in diamonds

6c, 6d, 6h, 6n, 7c, 7d, 7h, 7n to play

 

On this hand, it's a choice between 4n and pass. Laws in both calls but I don't want to sound like I have HCP values.

 

I pass smoothly to not compromise partner's next call. Btw, do you play mandatory reopening dbls here? I do not, but many do.

 

Another question is what do you bid if anything after

 

P 1d 4s p

P dbl p ?

 

I still play 4n = 2 suited take out and would do that

[Cyberyeti]

I think we all know anything can be right. I wouldn't assume the 4s call is premptive though. Opposite a passed hand partner a 4s bid could be on anything.

 

Still, pard could have the big hand and if we make a call on these cards the next a stop could be something at the 6 level.

 

My own methods in thus situation are:

 

Pass - nothing to say

Dbl - general values (nottake out per se) without promising a spade stack

4nt - 2 suited take out (I give up on blackwood) usually having values

5c, 5h - my suit + values

5d - support with values

5nt - GSF in diamonds

5s - looking for a grand, likely in diamonds

6c, 6d, 6h, 6n, 7c, 7d, 7h, 7n to play

 

On this hand, it's a choice between 4n and pass. Laws in both calls but I don't want to sound like I have HCP values.

 

I pass smoothly to not compromise partner's next call. Btw, do you play mandatory reopening dbls here? I do not, but many do.

 

Another question is what do you bid if anything after

 

P 1d 4s p

P dbl p ?

 

I still play 4n = 2 suited take out and would do that

 

My problem with your approach is what do you want partner to do if you pass (probably on something less extreme than this) with:

 

KJxx, Qxx, AQJx, xx and xxx, Kx, Axxx, AKxx ?

 

I would like to have X as takeout so partner knows to pass with the first hand and bid with the second.

[miamijd]

This is a very different hand than the first one (which was an easy pass). Whatever you do here is apt to be wrong:

 

1. Pass. This risks finding partner with something like:

 

xxx KQx Jxxx AKx

 

It's not like that's some sort of great opener; it's a nondescript minimum. But you ought to make 6 clubs. The opponents can probably make 5 spades. You really want to let them play 4 spades?

 

2. Double. This is card-showing, and you don't have cards. Partner will pass with the hand in 1, and now 4SX comes rolling home, maybe with an overtrick.

 

3. 5C. This risks finding partner with four hearts to the KQ and a stiff or void club. Maybe LHO will be nice enough to make a very loud X if you've picked the wrong place.

 

4. 4NT - This is OK if it shows the two unbids, but I don't think that would be the popular expert treatment. I think this bid ought to be natural with a diamond fit and something like Kx or Qxx in spades.

 

I would bid 5C, because I think the chances of landing on your feet are best with that bid. But I'm sure whatever I do would be wrong :)

 

Cheers,

Mike

[RD350LC]

Mps Nil all

 

P 1♦ 4♠ ??

 

♠-

♥ATxxx

♦x

♣QT97xxx

 

 

What do you bid ?

I consider this quite different than the previous question that was raised. In this case, your partner is unlimited, and the 4♠ bidder is limited. I would expect an 8 card spade suit, and less than opening points, otherwise he would make a take out double or other bid (Though I have been known to make bids like that with a surprisingly strong hand).

I would bid 5 ♣ with this hand-but not liking it. Pre-empts work, that is why I do them.

[MinorKid]

Pass