DrFell Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 [hv=pc=n&s=s7532haj65dkckq92&w=sqj6h8daq98763ct5&n=skht97432djt52cj3&e=sat984hkqd4ca8764&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=3dppdppp]399|300[/hv] Result -870 (after a spade lead). Couldn't Northbot have found a heart bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Result -870 (after a spade lead). Couldn't Northbot have found a heart bid? Nope, you're playing with the wrong brand of robots if you are expecting a takeout with that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFell Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Maybe the robot was playing with the wrong brand of human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 [hv=pc=n&s=s7532haj65dkckq92&w=sqj6h8daq98763ct5&n=skht97432djt52cj3&e=sat984hkqd4ca8764&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=3dppdppp]399|300[/hv] Result -870 (after a spade lead). Couldn't Northbot have found a heart bid? my sympathies. GIBBO is nuts. I wonder what the rationale for pass is. Jdonn? vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbartley Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 There is no rationale. This is what we in the software industry call a bug - behavior different from what the implementer intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 pass is pretty bad, but double is pretty bad too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFell Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 pass is pretty bad, but double is pretty bad too.You think so? I reckon it was aggressive but not unreasonable. For what it's worth, -870 was a popular score on this board, achieved at 27 out of 37 tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 pass is pretty bad, but double is pretty bad too.True. Sometimes you still have to double anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 You think so? I reckon it was aggressive but not unreasonable. For what it's worth, -870 was a popular score on this board, achieved at 27 out of 37 tables. the passers were all GIB_BBO's? vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFell Posted April 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 the passers were all GIB_BBO's? vrockYes, it was a robot tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammen Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 I only go down five at 3nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbartley Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 pass is pretty bad, but double is pretty bad too. When you describe pass as "pretty bad" I'm reminded of a famous quote by the physicist Wolfgang Pauli who once said of a colleague's work, "This isn't right. This isn't even wrong." Pass isn't pretty bad or even really bad. It's preposterous. The worst you can say about the balancing double is that it's aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 When you describe pass as "pretty bad" I'm reminded of a famous quote by the physicist Wolfgang Pauli who once said of a colleague's work, "This isn't right. This isn't even wrong." Pass isn't pretty bad or even really bad. It's preposterous. The worst you can say about the balancing double is that it's aggressive. preposterous is right. possibly the millionth time GIBBO passes with such hands. seems to be a pretty easy bug-fix. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 possibly the millionth time GIBBO passes with such hands. seems to be a pretty easy bug-fix. If it was easy, this would have been fixed years ago. As a software developer, I think it should be easy for a better designed GIB to be fixed. But we are basically stuck with the GIB that was originally designed 25 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 If it was easy, this would have been fixed years ago. As a software developer, I think it should be easy for a better designed GIB to be fixed. But we are basically stuck with the GIB that was originally designed 25 years ago. and yet one of the stephens gets better results from old GIB on PC. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 and yet one of the stephens gets better results from old GIB on PC. 4 things. 1. Basic bots (I assume that's what OP was using. OP can correct me if I'm wrong) make frequent embarrassingly bad mistakes and BBO basically disavows fixing most of them. 2. Fixing 1 thing breaks another thing, and fixing 1 auction doesn't fix a very similar auction. This seems to be a major problem with GIB programming. 3. The old standalone GIB has the full and unlimited resources of the computer it is run on. The BBO bots have limited time sharing of network resources. 4. I'm (just) guessing the BBO bots occasionally do better than the standalone GIBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Yes doubles and passes of doubles are bad, but I think this is more related to the badness of balancing auctions than the badness of doubles. I still think at some point balancing auctions will be worked on all at once in a major overhaul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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