wbartley Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just play bridge robot. Human South. [hv=pc=n&s=sqt94ha763dk2ck83&w=sk65hdqjt9865c954&n=s32hkj94da73cat76&e=saj87hqt852d4cqj2&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p3dppdp4cppp]399|300[/hv] Something definitely awry here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 There is definitely a problem with Gib responding to a takeout double.I had a hand where i made a takeout double. Gib had a 4 card major with enough values to jump.It cuebid. So i had to guess what to bid next. Gib was a passed hand so it wasn't huge. Simple jumping in its 4 card major would have shown it's whole hand. There are numerous hands where you have to beg to find out that Gib has a 4-card major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 At least GIB didn't bid 4♣ holding a 5 card major. Well done GIB (the fact that GIB didn't have a 5 card major doesn't diminish GIB's accomplishment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 At least GIB didn't bid 4♣ holding a 5 card major. Well done GIB (the fact that GIB didn't have a 5 card major doesn't diminish GIB's accomplishment).i have found with GIBBO open almost all - perhaps all - 12 hcp hands so i question the initial pass with 12 hcp.open 11 if a stiff. open 10 if two 5 card suits.above has worked well. in GIB's addled mind 3H would be VERY weak. Can't jump to 4H so it does a mark time at the 4-level.i am almost with globby on this one. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbartley Posted March 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 i have found with GIBBO open almost all - perhaps all - 12 hcp hands so i question the initial pass with 12 hcp.open 11 if a stiff. open 10 if two 5 card suits.above has worked well. in GIB's addled mind 3H would be VERY weak. Can't jump to 4H so it does a mark time at the 4-level.i am almost with globby on this one. vrock I see. So, give South Jxxx AQxx x Kxxx in first seat. Now the bidding goes, P-3♦-P-P-Dbl-P and you think GIB should bid 4♣? You don't like South's bidding. That's fine. I just gave you a hand that is closer to what you think is appropriate. Did North's 4♣ bid just get better or worse? How about AJTx Qxxx x Kxxx? Does 4♣ seem about right to you? I have an idea. Why don't YOU show me a hand where the auction should go P-3♦-P-P-Dbl with North holding the given hand and where 4♣ is the correct bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I see. So, give South Jxxx AQxx x Kxxx in first seat. Now the bidding goes, P-3♦-P-P-Dbl-P and you think GIB should bid 4♣? You don't like South's bidding. That's fine. I just gave you a hand that is closer to what you think is appropriate. Did North's 4♣ bid just get better or worse? How about AJTx Qxxx x Kxxx? Does 4♣ seem about right to you? I have an idea. Why don't YOU show me a hand where the auction should go P-3♦-P-P-Dbl with North holding the given hand and where 4♣ is the correct bid.sorry, i don't respond to a confrontational tone. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbartley Posted March 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 sorry, i don't respond to a confrontational tone. vrock I'm merely pointing out that your critique of the opening pass is not relevant to the discussion. My question stands. Can you show me a hand that you think is consistent with South's bidding where 4♣ is the correct call by North because this is the GIB forum where we attempt to contribute to the improvement of GIB's bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 in GIB's addled mind 3H would be VERY weak. Can't jump to 4H so it does a mark time at the 4-level.i am almost with globby on this one. vrock Yikes :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Can't jump to 4H so it does a mark time at the 4-level.i am almost with globby on this one. vrockMarking time with a non-forcing bid doesn't really work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Marking time with a non-forcing bid doesn't really work.what do you responders to this email thread recommend? vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeigh Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 With the caveat that I'm likely the least qualified person here to contribute ... I recommend GOOBER stop considering 3H very weak. You already have no room to move due to the pre-empt. What kind of dumb system forces partnership to game opposite a balancing double from a weak 3 opener when the doubler is a passed hand? Just dumb. Bid the 4-carders up the line, especially if your easiest bid is a major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 This is one of those silly scenarios where GIB describes the responses as follows: 3♥: 4+♥, 20- total points3♠: 4+♠, 20- total points4♣: 4+♣, 20- total points Obviously, telling partner you have 20 or less total points isn't really that helpful. Why on earth it chooses 4♣ over 3♥, who knows. Incidentally, give GIB the same shape and no points (probably not possible on the auction, but anyway), it will bid 3♥. It will continue to bid 3♥ with 4 hearts and 5 clubs and no points. Yet it's not like 4♣ is showing points, since give it 5 clubs and 3 hearts and 0 points, and it will still bid 4♣ as expected. And just to cover all cases, swap the 6 of clubs for the 6 of spades in the original hand, and it will bid 3♥. So not like it thinks 3♥ is weak either. Overall, just nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 This is one of those silly scenarios where GIB describes the responses as follows: 3♥: 4+♥, 20- total points3♠: 4+♠, 20- total points4♣: 4+♣, 20- total points Obviously, telling partner you have 20 or less total points isn't really that helpful. Why on earth it chooses 4♣ over 3♥, who knows. Incidentally, give GIB the same shape and no points (probably not possible on the auction, but anyway), it will bid 3♥. It will continue to bid 3♥ with 4 hearts and 5 clubs and no points. Yet it's not like 4♣ is showing points, since give it 5 clubs and 3 hearts and 0 points, and it will still bid 4♣ as expected. And just to cover all cases, swap the 6 of clubs for the 6 of spades in the original hand, and it will bid 3♥. So not like it thinks 3♥ is weak either. Overall, just nonsense. where would a pass by gibby stand in the scheme of things? vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 i have found with GIBBO open almost all - perhaps all - 12 hcp hands so i question the initial pass with 12 hcp.A GiB 1♣ opening: ♠QJ2♥QJ2♦QJ2♣QJ32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 A GiB 1♣ opening: ♠QJ2♥QJ2♦QJ2♣QJ32. of course haha. 12 hcp. case closed. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Bidding minors ahead of majors responding to takeout doubles has proved surprisingly difficult to fix (and frustrating from my perspective). It's not like you can just fix "take-out doubles", you have to fix it for each auction. It's an ongoing project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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