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[eagles123]

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3NT now is ...

 

If you feel that N should have come in over 3C, the poll for that part of the auction is here: https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/bidding-problem-2-12hzwxmho7/

 

Thanks,

 

Eagles

[helene_t]

I would pass. 3♥ or 3NT could work, of course.

[hrothgar]

I'd bid 3N

 

Partner is balancing but he has to have SOMETHING and lord knows he doesn't have much in Diamonds

[Cyberyeti]

I'd bid 3N

 

Partner is balancing but he has to have SOMETHING and lord knows he doesn't have much in Diamonds

 

But what can he have that he doesn't open 1♦ or 2♦ ? This is somewhat style dependent, and the correct bid may depend on that, we'd open most of the hands where 3N makes.

[eagles123]

this was with a BBO random nutcase so it's more a theoretical question, but for the sake of the question assume 2/1 5542 relatively solid preempts and three weak 2's

[MrAce]

I think pd has 6♦+4M and not enough to open 1♦, which also explains why he did not open weak 2♦ (due to side major).

He may even have 6-5 and 6-8 hcp.

 

In order to make 3 NT we will need him to hold ♣A +♦A and have to guess diamonds right, too small target to shoot for IMO.

This is assuming there is a guess in diamonds, There might not be one even if our LHO has Qx due to the blockage in diamond suit.

I would never pass 3 ♣ at the first place by the way, but I may be minority.

I am bidding 4♣ now.

[eagles123]

I think pd has 6♦+4M and not enough to open 1♦, which also explains why he did not open weak 2♦ (due to side major).

He may even have 6-5 and 6-8 hcp.

 

In order to make 3 NT we will need him to hold ♣A +♦A and have to guess diamonds right, too small target to shoot for IMO.

This is assuming there is a guess in diamonds, There might not be one even if our LHO has Qx due to the blockage in diamond suit.

I would never pass 3 ♣ at the first place by the way, but I may be minority.

I am bidding 4♣ now.

 

as I said, I polled that elsewhere, but I think it's real close

[MrAce]

as I said, I polled that elsewhere, but I think it's real close

 

Yes, in BW and I voted there too.

[eagles123]

Yes, in BW and I voted there too.

 

Yes, I saw that Timo, I didn't mean it negatively lol, just to point again people for the other decision in what i think is an interesting hand :)

 

It was nothing against u dude :)

[MrAce]

Yes, I saw that Timo, I didn't mean it negatively lol, just to point again people for the other decision in what i think is an interesting hand :)

 

It was nothing against u dude :)

 

I know m8, all good. I was not offended. You are one of the guys I like a lot in these forums.

[eagles123]

lol I feel the same bro :P

[hrothgar]

But what can he have that he doesn't open 1♦ or 2♦ ? This is somewhat style dependent, and the correct bid may depend on that, we'd open most of the hands where 3N makes.

 

 

♠ Qxxx

♥ VOID

♦ Axxxxx

♣Kxx

[rmnka447]

I just don't see bidding 3 NT with this hand. If you do so, you're betting that partner can provide a ♣ stopper or that ♣ block. With ♣ 432 in hand, I just don't like those odds.

[PhilG007]

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3NT now is ...

 

If you feel that N should have come in over 3C, the poll for that part of the auction is here: https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/bidding-problem-2-12hzwxmho7/

 

Thanks,

 

Eagles

I wouldn't take any action at all Yes it may sound craven but there's no point in trying to be heroic either...the cemeteries are full

of "Heroes" So gimmee the "White Feathers" now :P

[Tramticket]

I'm attracted to a 3NT bid in a masochistic sort of way.

 

the 3♣ bidder probably won't have a running suit (they might open 3NT). So either partner or RHO has a club honour and it is more likely to be partner since he is showing some values.

 

Of course partner's club holding might be ♣K or ♣QX ... but if you bid it confidently he might lead something else. :)

 

Risky. But I might do it.

[kbrat]

Any two aces make 3nt, with dQ falling.

Both red aces with P, if E is void in c.

But what are the odds? Not good enough to me.

I would expect myself to Pass.

[0deary]

If we play in 3D (tick I guess) but everyone else make 3N then we lose ~9imps and partner is a little irritated you didn’t X

 

If we try 3NT and everyone else is it in: it’s a push but partner is aware that you took a big position when X is normal

 

If everyone else was in 3D but you make 3NT then of course you gain ~9 imps, and partner smiles, but in a funny sort of way

 

If everyone else was in 3D but you slip -1 in 3N we lose ~6imps, and partner is not amused

 

And if you try 3N but S had Kx C and East leads eg JC you are going to feel very queasy and S....well at the minimum that’s the last time S will balance weak in future. 3N-4 cf 3D tick just costs the 12imps. And if East suddenly awakes and doubles then it’s just the 15 imps. South apologises to the Director and leaves the club complaining of a terrible headache, and your calls will not be returned

 

So put me down for Pass and see if E awakens. Even if not let partner have the pleasure of a useful + score, making an imp because it was played so well as everyone else is in 3D too. It we missed 3N then apologise immediately and turn to the next hand asap: your turn at the bar, again!

[nekthen]

♠ Qxxx

♥ VOID

♦ Axxxxx

♣Kxx

 

 

28 zar points a standard 1♦ opener

[MrAce]

Any two aces make 3nt, with dQ falling.

 

 

In your dreams

[Cyberyeti]

♠ Qxxx

♥ VOID

♦ Axxxxx

♣Kxx

 

Easy 1♦ for us, and btw a 4 card major doesn't put us off a weak 2. The only hand I could come up with was 7 diamonds to the ace and the club ace, we wouldn't preempt with 2 aces.

 

More interesting question if your openers are more standard

[Cyberyeti]

I'm attracted to a 3NT bid in a masochistic sort of way.

 

the 3♣ bidder probably won't have a running suit (they might open 3NT). So either partner or RHO has a club honour and it is more likely to be partner since he is showing some values.

 

Of course partner's club holding might be ♣K or ♣QX ... but if you bid it confidently he might lead something else. :)

 

Risky. But I might do it.

 

This did occur to me, if you have a stopper in the bidding, you don't always need one in the play, and a singleton club opposite a 3rd seat preempt is not desperately attractive as a lead.

[gszes]

MADNESS was such a nice response but since 7n was so much worse I could not quite bring myself to vote for it on the 3N issue. Why was there not a choice of "total disrespect for south's ability to balance"??? p p 3c p (don't get me started on this) p what does south know about the hand? rho averages around 8 lho averages around 8 for the preempt that leaves OUR side with an average of around 24. That means south can easily figure out north's average holding and tailor their passout seat bid accordingly.

If I figured north to have around 14 and I was looking at longish diamonds and a club stop would I not try 3n with a hand like x QJxx Axxxxx Kx? South balancing with 3d should be a huge red flag to north. South would try very hard to bid 3n if it looked reasonable and yet they backed in with 3d. I would make the case that south is vastly more likely to hold some sort of 45 or 46 hand w/o a club stop than any holding with a club stop. The decision for me would be is my hand now worth a shot at game opposite my passed partner and 3n is NOT the target. Would you balance with 3d with a holding of Qx Qxx Qxxxxxx x? I think such a balance by a passed hand is a lot less mad than 3n by north on the given conditions.

[Cyberyeti]

Would you balance with 3d with a holding of Qx Qxx Qxxxxxx x? I think such a balance by a passed hand is a lot less mad than 3n by north on the given conditions.

 

Only if I'd forgotten to open 2♦.

[nige1]

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3NT now is ...

[/hv]

Partner passed in 2nd seat but could hold any of a variety of hands. For example

• ♠ Q x ♥ Q x x ♦ Q x x x x ♣ A x x
• ♠ x x x x ♥ Q x ♦ A Q x x x ♣ Q x
• ♠ Q x ♥ A Q x ♦ x x x x x x ♣ Q x

I rank

1. Pass = NAT. Thank you partner. Take the money.
2. 4♦ = G/T. Try for vul game.
3. 5♦ = NAT Landy try for vul game.
4. 4♣ = CUE Showing ♦ fit but game aspirations are optimistic and slam even more so.
5. 3N = NAT Brave.

[MrAce]

I'm attracted to a 3NT bid in a masochistic sort of way.

 

the 3♣ bidder probably won't have a running suit (they might open 3NT). So either partner or RHO has a club honour and it is more likely to be partner since he is showing some values.

 

Of course partner's club holding might be ♣K or ♣QX ... but if you bid it confidently he might lead something else. :)

 

Risky. But I might do it.

 

Will you make 3 NT if pd has the hand you asked for and opponents did not make the lead you are scared of?

 

xxxx

A

Axxxxx

Qx

 

Assume they led ♥ (and I am guaranteeing you 2-2 ♦) (perhaps you need to bid 3 NT very very fast so that they will lead neither clubs nor hearts!!http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

 

OR will you make 3 NT when pd has a legit ♣ stopper and god forbid opening leader decides to lead the suit shown by his pd?

 

JTxx

x

A9xxxx

Ax

 

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