Go on or not?

[Finanzier]

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What is the appropriate level?

What would you do?

[Tramticket]

What is the form of scoring? What was the 4♣ bid - a transfer?

 

I bid 5♦ at IMPs.

[Cyberyeti]

On this hand, I actually think I want to play this contract to conceal my distribution, it's not like there's a xxx type holding I want to protect.

 

I'd have bid 5♦ first up to show this hand type. Partner is free if he has aces and diamonds to bid 6, he knows a holding like AK bare will be plenty.

[nige1]

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In a similar auction, I passed 4♦. In silence, my partner, Ian Morrison, wrapped up 11 tricks. I asked if I should have bid on. He pointed out mildly that 4♦ is a sixpence.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

as was already asked, what was 4C?

If it was a transfer, i.e. showing diamonds, bid on, you have no idea, if it makes, but you dont have an idea, if 4D makes.

If it was undiscussed, texas, ..., 4C was the wrong bid, but the best you can do is to check out.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

Hi,

 

as was already asked, what was 4C?

If it was a transfer, i.e. showing diamonds, bid on, you have no idea, if it makes, but you dont have an idea, if 4D makes.

If it was undiscussed, texas, ..., 4C was the wrong bid, but the best you can do is to check out.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

Undiscussed it was probably Gerber :)

[Tramticket]

Undiscussed it was probably Gerber :)

 

I wondered that ... I suppose there is just about room for partner to have a 20 count and no aces! :) :)

[Cyberyeti]

I wondered that ... I suppose there is just about room for partner to have a 20 count and no aces! :) :)

 

0 or 4, 1,2,3

 

And if he opens 2N on QJx, KQJx, KQ, KQJx I might get a new partner unless we open 19 counts 2N routinely

[aguahombre]

If it was Gerber, I just bid 6♦ and sheepishly put down dummy.

[rmnka447]

0 or 4, 1,2,3

 

And if he opens 2N on QJx, KQJx, KQ, KQJx I might get a new partner unless we open 19 counts 2N routinely

If partner opened 2 NT on that hand, you're already 1 trick beyond the last makeable contract barring a defensive error. So you ought to bid 6 ♦ if 4 ♣ is Gerber. You ought to have a decent play for 6 ♦ if partner has the 4 As even if the ♦ A is stiff.

 

BTW, 7 quacks and no As/10s would be worth -2 point adjustment if you use Bergen's point count inconsistency adjustments.

[rmnka447]

On this hand, I actually think I want to play this contract to conceal my distribution, it's not like there's a xxx type holding I want to protect.

 

I'd have bid 5♦ first up to show this hand type. Partner is free if he has aces and diamonds to bid 6, he knows a holding like AK bare will be plenty.

 

You might just want to protect ♠ Kxx from an opening lead through it also.

 

I'd likewise just bid 5 ♦, too.

[rmnka447]

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[steve2005]

You might just want to protect ♠ Kxx from an opening lead through it also.

 

I'd likewise just bid 5 ♦, too.

If opener has 4 aces you don't need to protect K♠. If opener has 0 things won't go well.B-)

[gszes]

5d

This hand belongs somewhere btn 3d and 7d. 3n might be a recipe for disaster while 5d will rarely score poorly. 5d also has the benefit of allowing opener to consider 6d if they have a ton of aces and a decent dia fit. It takes special agreement to effectively bid 7d so losing out on 7d is hardly the worst thing imaginable. Game before slam and 5d seems to be the safest game choice.

[dow1978]

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What is the appropriate level?

What would you do?

5!d

[rmnka447]

If opener has 4 aces you don't need to protect K♠. If opener has 0 things won't go well.B-)

 

I think cyberyeti was referring to bidding 5 ♦ directly over 2 NT. I was agreeing that I'd also make that bid as responder.

[JanisW]

A direct 5♦ risks/invites a raise to 7 on ♠Axxx,♥AJxx,♦AKx,♣Ax.

What would you do, if partner bid 5♦and you're looking on all 5 Keys?

 

We play 3♠ as a weak transfer into either minor, and a direct 4m as single-suited, strong and forcing to 5m.

This Hand is borderline between 3♠ and 4♦. So I would probably start 3♠ and bid 5♦ next.

Now P should know, that I'm highly distributional, without many HCPs. I might still get a raise to 7 on the Hand I gave earlier, but at least I tried and P should know that 6 is plenty...

 

regards

JW

[Vampyr]

I think cyberyeti was referring to bidding 5 ♦ directly over 2 NT. I was agreeing that I'd also make that bid as responder.

 

Perhaps it wasn't available. Of course, the answer to this question is impossible to determine since we have no idea what 4♣ was.

[Cyberyeti]

A direct 5♦ risks/invites a raise to 7 on ♠Axxx,♥AJxx,♦AKx,♣Ax.

What would you do, if partner bid 5♦and you're looking on all 5 Keys?

 

I think a direct 5♦ requires an exceptional hand to bid 6 and takes 7 out of the equation, better hands will take it a little slower.

[gszes]

A direct 5♦ risks/invites a raise to 7 on ♠Axxx,♥AJxx,♦AKx,♣Ax.

What would you do, if partner bid 5♦and you're looking on all 5 Keys?

 

We play 3♠ as a weak transfer into either minor, and a direct 4m as single-suited, strong and forcing to 5m.

This Hand is borderline between 3♠ and 4♦. So I would probably start 3♠ and bid 5♦ next.

Now P should know, that I'm highly distributional, without many HCPs. I might still get a raise to 7 on the Hand I gave earlier, but at least I tried and P should know that 6 is plenty...

 

regards

JW

 

this is not standard (though maybe it should be) how about 5h/5s/6c (for your example) to show Ax and all 5 keys in case there is a ruffing value that vaults us to 7. 5n to show all 5 keys with no ruffing value. Merely showing 5 keys will usually be enough to allow responder to pick the best spot

[msjennifer]

Since not alerted,4C has to be Gerber.4D shows zero Aces and hence Pass is the correct bid.I know that it’s not compulsory to alert any bid above 3NT but does it apply to such a specific case (convention cards are not always available) ? Personally ,I have not got what your partner meant by “ six pence” as six pence can not buy you anything. If ,indeed, 4C was meant a transfer bid the partner holding 3 or more Aces and a King at least in the 4 Th suit(If holding 3Aces) would have made some noise, as is permissible under the system the pair is playing ,other than bidding just 4D. Hence it is not wrong to pass and make necessary changes in your system afterwards.

[JanisW]

I think a direct 5♦ requires an exceptional hand to bid 6 and takes 7 out of the equation, better hands will take it a little slower.

 

that's obviously highly dependent on your methods.

Since we have

• 2NT - 3♠
• 2NT - 4♦, forcing to 5♦
• 3♠ followed by 5♦ (admittedly undiscussed, but I'd trust my Partner to get the message)

available to distinguish between a weak and a strong Hand, then a direct 5♦ can no longer have the same meaning.

 

As you do not preempt yourself on a hand where Partner opened 2NT, 5♦ is bid to make. How can you hope to make 5♦ looking at 0 key-cards? This bid simply should not exist.

I would take 5♦ as a hand where Partner thinks 5♦ is odds on, and there is no scientific way to find out. Perhaps x,void,QJ 8th,KQxx

 

What do you use the bids I gave for, if not to distinguish between a strong and a weak minor?

Is 4♦ TexasTransfer to setup ♥ as trump so 4NT is Blackwood as opposed to quantative after 3[do] with 5 card ♥?

 

regards

JW

[Cyberyeti]

Since not alerted,4C has to be Gerber.4D shows zero Aces and hence Pass is the correct bid.I know that it’s not compulsory to alert any bid above 3NT but does it apply to such a specific case (convention cards are not always available) ? Personally ,I have not got what your partner meant by “ six pence” as six pence can not buy you anything. If ,indeed, 4C was meant a transfer bid the partner holding 3 or more Aces and a King at least in the 4 Th suit(If holding 3Aces) would have made some noise, as is permissible under the system the pair is playing ,other than bidding just 4D. Hence it is not wrong to pass and make necessary changes in your system afterwards.

 

May be jurisdiction dependent but here 4♣ IS alertable if Gerber as it's a non natural suit bid on the first round of bidding and this trumps the "above 3N" restriction.

 

And as I said before, a lot of people play 4♦ as 0 or 4 if playing Gerber.

[Finanzier]

4 ♣ were a Transfer to ♦. It was rubber, we led 1:1 with 40 to 0.

I was N.

But we do not play for money. If there was a slam, we should be in.

13 tricks in ♦ or NT

 

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Who did wrong?

Should I have opened 2 ♦ (SEF)?

[WellSpyder]

Who did wrong?

That is a little hard to say when you haven't told us who did what after the first three bids.

 

I don't play much rubber bridge (perhaps just as well since it would never have occurred to me that 4C could be a transfer in that context), but it does strike me that the north hand is seriously good for the bidding to date. If you choose to open 2N with this, then what about at least breaking the transfer and bidding 5D rather than 4D?