virgosrock Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CLUCKY_HUMAN%2Cvirgosrock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2S47JQKH239DJQAC29%2CS3568TH6TJD348C8K%2CS29AH458D7KC56TQA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+4%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21D%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CFree+bid+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+6%2B+total+points%3B+forc%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C3-5+%21C%3B+2-4+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+2-3+%21S%3B+12-14+HCP+%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7C5%2B+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21H%3B+17-+HCP%3B+12-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C1-+%21C%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+biddable+%21H%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C2%2B+%21D%3B+11-+total+points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3-5+%21C%3B+2+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+2-3+%21S%3B+12-14+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] ok ok so they make 3NT with a finesse. Note 12-19 "points". (If you use "points". It will ALWAYS use the max of the range). I pondered upon passing 2Hx. Glad I did not. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I have to agree, virgos, East's bidding is total pants! ('Pants' is English slang for rubbish.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I have to agree, virgos, East's bidding is total pants! ('Pants' is English slang for rubbish.) Hmmm... Badger I did not run into this one in Indian English nor in American English. What is the etymology or entymology? I just forget which one is birds and which one is words LOL vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Out of interest, what are you saying the bug is here? It may not be your choice of bid but GIB does, after all, have exactly what it promised in the description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Probably that the bot showed its hand with 1D, 2H is a huge overbid especially given the diamonds are hardly stellar (and that's an understatement). ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Out of interest, what are you saying the bug is here? It may not be your choice of bid but GIB does, after all, have exactly what it promised in the description. I read 12-19 points and 17- hcp. From the little I read "points" become relevant when a fit has been found. No fit has been found. It has 10 hcp which fit the 17- hcp criterion but where are the 12-19 "points"? I should have mentioned to jdonn that perhaps the only improvement needed is GIB read its own blurbs but somewhere in the software blurbs and bidding are so tightly integrated they cannot be separated out easily. They perhaps are the same "thing". vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I read 12-19 points and 17- hcp. From the little I read "points" become relevant when a fit has been found. No fit has been found. It has 10 hcp which fit the 17- hcp criterion but where are the 12-19 "points"?vrock GIB doesn't work like that. To GIB, this hand has 13 total points. Gib uses both old fashioned HCP (A=4, K=3, Q=2, J=1)) and “Total points” (HCP+3 for void, 2 for singleton, 1 for doubleton, but short suits containing an honor are reduced by 1 point). So yes, it should probably have the lower limit increased, but it was at least consistent with the description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 GIB doesn't work like that. To GIB, this hand has 13 total points. So yes, it should probably have the lower limit increased, but it was at least consistent with the description. sm, could you address whether "points" become valid only when a fit has been found> thanksvrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Hmmm... Badger I did not run into this one in Indian English nor in American English. What is the etymology or entymology? I just forget which one is birds and which one is words LOL vrock https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/pants-word-origin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/pants-word-origin Thanks Nick. Fascinating. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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