NickRW Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&n=sa2h9d9764ckq6432&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=p1c(17%2B)p1s(3%20controls%2C%20GF)2cd(TO)p]133|200[/hv] Imps Red/Red This is probably a stupid question, but was I an idiot to convert to penalties? 6D was on for 1300 odd, 2Cx was -4 for 1100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I'm with you. With so much length and half of your points in LHO's suit, your hand is totally defensive. You really can't anticipate making a slam, a even game could be scuttled by bad breaks. Did they bid the slam at the other table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 This is probably a stupid question, but was I an idiot to convert to penalties? No. It would be nice to have better trump intermediates, but to me it is totally obvious to pass for penalties. Why should you expect a slam to be both biddable and makeable? You are hardly likely to be losing much if game is the limit of the hand, and could easily show a big profit from taking the money. And it might help keep oppo honest on the rest of the boards, too..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 What would you do if an opponent opened a 1♣ (natural) and partner made a takeout double? At this vulnerability and with the opponents bidding at the 2 level I'd pass, pass, pass. Just because partner has a minimum 17 count doesn't mean he has the right cards for slam to be made. Nothing idiotic in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted November 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Did they bid the slam at the other table? Sadly, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted November 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 No. It would be nice to have better trump intermediates, but to me it is totally obvious to pass for penalties. Why should you expect a slam to be both biddable and makeable? You are hardly likely to be losing much if game is the limit of the hand, and could easily show a big profit from taking the money. And it might help keep oppo honest on the rest of the boards, too..... Thanks, pretty much my exact thoughts at the table. I was just sanity checking. IMO P would have done better to simply call his ♦ as he would have without the interference, which would have avoided putting me on the spot, but that's another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Look your opening an artificial 1♣ and responding artificially showing controls.Your decision to convert to penalties is certainly reasonable butwhen it doesn't work that is the cost of using completely artificial bids for 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted November 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Look your opening an artificial 1♣ and responding artificially showing controls.Your decision to convert to penalties is certainly reasonable butwhen it doesn't work that is the cost of using completely artificial bids for 1st round. I'm not trying to defend or asking for criticism of the bidding system. I play it with this partner because he is comfortable with it. In fact, Blue Club actually seems to me to hold up quite well at teams, despite the age of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I'm not trying to defend or asking for criticism of the bidding system. I play it with this partner because he is comfortable with it. In fact, Blue Club actually seems to me to hold up quite well at teams, despite the age of the system.Not critizing that's just the facts. When you make a low level double you won't know if you have a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Bidding isn't a perfect science, it's an art. There's no way to know what is in partner's hand except points at this point in the auction. You've made a reasonable decision and it didn't work out. That happens in bridge -- it's the rub of the green. It doesn't mean that the decision was wrong just that it didn't happen to work out this time. It's impossible to know if slam is there or not, but you do know 2 ♣x is going for a number. Any time slam isn't there, you're getting a huge, probable match winning swing. I'd pass in a flash with your hand, also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I'm not trying to defend or asking for criticism of the bidding system. I play it with this partner because he is comfortable with it. In fact, Blue Club actually seems to me to hold up quite well at teams, despite the age of the system. With a few adjustments, Blue Team Club can also do quite well at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Look your opening an artificial 1♣ and responding artificially showing controls.Your decision to convert to penalties is certainly reasonable butwhen it doesn't work that is the cost of using completely artificial bids for 1st round. Nice after the fact resulting. If responder shows clubs initially, what are the odds that East will also show clubs? Artificial bids give, and they take away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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