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[virgosrock]

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3Cx might even have made but tough to pass with 6-5. The 3s?? Please dont tell me 12+ HCP has no upper bound.

 

vrock

[steve2005]

With 5♦ and 6♣ with a weak hand and no way to show both minors you have a choice.

Overcall 3♣ and sit or

Overcall 3♦ and rebid 4♣ if necessary.

This tactic is common with weak 6-5's at a lower level.

 

Bidding 3♣ then 3♦ shows a strong hand though it shouldn't when escaping. But if partner had responded 3♠ with a good hand you would have a rebid problem. But in any case partner thinks you have 4♦ so tries ♠.

[virgosrock]

With 5♦ and 6♣ with a weak hand and no way to show both minors you have a choice.

Overcall 3♣ and sit or

Overcall 3♦ and rebid 4♣ if necessary.

This tactic is common with weak 6-5's at a lower level.

 

Bidding 3♣ then 3♦ shows a strong hand though it shouldn't when escaping. But if partner had responded 3♠ with a good hand you would have a rebid problem. But in any case partner thinks you have 4♦ so tries ♠.

if i have d and s and c, i may have doubled for takeout. I have escaped 3cx into 3d, how can i have spades. and blurbs are saying 12+ hcp consistently. So why this 3S?

 

vrock

[The_Badger]

Ropey suits vulnerable are a recipe for disaster. You haven't got a sensible rebid if you overcall 3♣ and partner bids 3♠s (with a different hand). While the subsequent bidding is GIB's fault, this hand has the warning signs of a misfit when the opponents open 2♥.

 

Whilst I'll be quite happy to bid 2NT Unusual red/white over a 1M opening, the 2♥ opener is limited and can be quite weak. If partner hasn't got enough to balance then the hand is probably not yours.

 

I know it's difficult to sit silent with 6-5 shape, but the vulnerability is a factor for me, and this is just my opinion. I always believe that if you open/overcall, you should have a rebid available whatever partner says. This hand isn't good enough to 'reverse' with 3♣ then 4♦: you wouldn't open 1♣ then bid 2♦ as an opener, so why do you want to overstate your values here?