virgosrock Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 HAND #1[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CNOT_GIBBO%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S258H3TJD58TJAC5Q%2CS347JH78AD36C78JK%2CSTQKH459QKD7C2469%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+15%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne+over+one+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+11-+HCP%3B+6-12+tot%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTwo+suit+takeout+--+4%2B+%21C%3B+5-+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21H%3B+5-+%21S%3B+11-+HCP%3B+12+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cr%21%7Can%7CSupport+redouble+-+3+S+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+3+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cmc%7C7%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] You hear the redouble on your right and start shaking and trembling because 2H is 4+ per blurb so you cant bid 2H and if you pass idiot will PASS. So you say to yourself they are non-vul, opponent is a friend. What is $2.62 between friends. and idiot passes and you go for $2.62. Thank yourself NO overtricks.In a subhuman/superhuman/human game I would have bid 2H in a flash. So! the RULE should be for this situation responder is 3+ in suit bid not 4+ Hand #2[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CNOT_BOT%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S46KH468JD4QKC56T%2CS5H39TD268TC279JK%2CS2378THAD379JAC8A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+9%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CTwo-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+10%2B+HCP%3B+11-18+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7CFree+major+raise+--+3%2B+%21S%3B+6-10+total+po%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+Q%2B+in+%21D%3B+16-18+total+points%3B+forcing+to+3S+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21S%3B+8%2B+HCP%3B+9-10+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout+double+--+4%2B+%21C%3B+5-+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21H%3B+5-+%21S%3B+18+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+9-+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cmc%7C8%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] Do you double 5C? GIBBO in the past has made such doubles with 6S, 5D or other weird shapes. So you bite the bullet and pass 300 instead of 800 @$0.5 you do the math.You thank yourself for a plus and move on. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Goodness, normal responses to takeout doubles are 3+ which is crazy. You cant have constructive bidding when nobody is promising 4 cards.here doubler is quite likely 5-4 so why isn't 3 cards sufficient for bd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 GIB itself is always systemically allowed to lie by a card in difficult situations so I don't see why you can't bid 2H ostensibly showing 4 but sometimes having only 3. If N goes too crazy afterwards assuming an iron clad 4, complain about the followups, but I wouldn't be too adamant about changing the definition on the first board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgosrock Posted November 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 GIB itself is always systemically allowed to lie by a card in difficult situations so I don't see why you can't bid 2H ostensibly showing 4 but sometimes having only 3. If N goes too crazy afterwards assuming an iron clad 4, complain about the followups, but I wouldn't be too adamant about changing the definition on the first board. Please recall I said in "real life" I would bid 2H in a flash! I said to myself since GIBBO's distributions are all over the place with these doubles let me leave it up to GIBBO wherein lay the mistake. vrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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