Cascade Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 How do you approach this hand? Dealer: South Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ AK5 ♥ T ♦ ♣ AKQJT9543 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 1♣, I have my bid! ;) Anything could be right, but I think I will go slowly. I will get more chances. If opps remain silent I will jump to 2♠ next. If opps compete viciously, I will follow them all the way. Maybe I get doubled in 5♣, and if partner can't double 5red, I will take out insurance by bidding one more. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 2C. A lot depends on your structureafter a 2C opening. In fourth seat 6C. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 4NT. Hope partner shows up with the ace of hearts rather than the ace of diamonds. If he does I'll blast 7, and hope he has another trick somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Who knows Wayne? 1C could be right, 6C could be right, 4NT could be right. What definitely isn't right is 2C. I'll try 1C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Playing Precision 1♣Playing anything else whatever is your GAME force bid - ending up in 6 or 7♣ depending on P's response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I use to have a game forcing opening in my system. It is showing a strong hand 23+HCP or a hand with max. 3 looser. I would use that here.With this not available, i'll go for 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I open 5♦ (exclusion blackwood). No, silly joke, I agree with Ron but I think I would open 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Nothing but 2C for me for many reasons. 1. I have only 2 losers, so it seems most logical. 2. I play Crodo, so I'll know immediately how many and what aces partner has. No bidding space lost, on the contrary. 3. No threat that we'll stop below game, so bidding can proceed slowly after the opening. 4. There is nothing else as a final contract except for 5/6/7 C. Even if we have a spade fit as well, there's the danger that a club would be ruffed on the lead. 5. Opponents (especially weaker ones) tend to pass strong openings at least until the nature of the strong hand is revealed. 6. If my opening shows giant strength there's less danger that opponents will commit to a sacrifice. Petko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I don't like 2♣. I can't belive that the opponents will not interfere, even weak oponents. I play a 2♣ which can also be a weak two in diamonds, in order to discourage preemption. Even so, interference is quite frequent, so I try not to open 2♣ with freak-hands. If 2♣ is always strong and the opps are non-vulnerable, I would be surprised if they'd bid less than 5♦ before my next turn. It's a little bit true that opps will expect more defensive strength and therefore be reluctant to sacrifice. But so will partner, and more so since opps bid there own hands while partner bids your hand as well. Can you respect partner's penalty double at the 4-level with this hand? What about the 5- or 6-level? Besides, if partner knows that you open 2♣ with hands like this one, opps are entitled to know as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I do not use the 4NT specific ace ask. It never comes up although this hand would qualify. 6♣ would be my first choice, partner will raise on two aces. Alternatively open 1♣ and if opps compete in diamonds bid 5♦ exclusion. If they refuse to bid diamonds or partner doublecrosses by bidding them I rebid 6♣. 2♣ is not a choice for me. Like medication do not use 2♣ unless you have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Incredibly, the other day I had a hand better than that one. I held AAKTxxxx--AKQxx a 1-loser(!!) hand. Pard opened a weak 2S and we managed to stay out of 7H (pard had xx xx in hearts/clubs). As for that hand shown, I think I'd open 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi, because nobody stands up for a 2C opening: If they will interfere over 2C, they will do the same over 1C, afterall 2H/3H would have the same meaning. If they risk it over 2C, they will definitive risk it over 1C. 2C opposite 1C has one definitive adv., it createsa forcing pass situation, which will improve yourchances of handling interference. I dont open 2C often, but this hand qualifies, you have a strong one suited hand, you have some defensive. I would like to play in club, but if partner happens to have a 6 card spade suit, I dont mind playing spades. For those, who believe 2C wastes space:After a 1C opening, you will need a jump to 4C, unless a jump rebid to 3C is forcing, to convince partner, that you are only interested in clubs. Surprinsingly this will be same level after a 2C opening. Summarizing: I doubt that there will be a situation after a 2Csituation, finding you badder placed compared to a situation which would have arisen after a 1C opening. Finally a minor point: If one sits in 1st seat, and the opponent with the hand readyfor preemptive auction sits in 4th seat, it may happen, that one did throw out any adv., which would resulte fromones own constructive methods, I dont play Crodo, I dont play Albaran, I dont play ..., but these methods, showing specific aceswould help here. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 With this hand I do not want to bash 6C because probably the par of the hand is 6M BY them doubled: I do not want they find the sac.At the same time, I do not want to bash into 7C to find an aceless pard. I bid 1C. If the hand belogs to us, all is well, I'll try for the grand. If, after opening 1C, I find out the hand belongs to opps, I will bid my clubs one step at a time (2C then 3C then 4C then 5C), hoping they double. If after my 1C opener, it is not clear whether opps will compete or not, I will bid 5 clubs at next round (I gamble that I might miss the slam but opps may have a good sacrifice in 6M).When they likely bid 5M, I bid 6C.If they then bid 6M I probably double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 You can also test the opps patience like this 1C 1S pass 2S3C 3S pass pass4C pass pass 4S5C dbl +550... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I vote for 2C. This is a one suit hand and I have ideal rebid. I donot mind much of opp's interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Besides, if partner knows that you open 2♣ with hands like this one, opps are entitled to know as well.Of course they are. But 1C opening is limited to 19 HCP whereas 2C has no upper range. I could theoretically have 34 missing only an Ace and two Jacks. The explanation that we give to opps is all that we know about partner's hand:23+ HCP, or9 sure tricks as in AKQJxxxxx xx x x, or10 expected tricks as in A AQJxxxxx Ax KQ So with 2C I'd often have 24 HCP, whereas when I open 1C I can be expected to have only half of those points. I think opps are much less likely to sacrifice after 2C unless one of them has a pretty long suit too. Petko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 You can also test the opps patience like this 1C 1S pass 2S3C 3S pass pass4C pass pass 4S5C dbl +550... lol Fine, if you want to play games with your oppoenents, this will work, ... sometimes.But if you happen to play against competent oppoenents,you will play 4C+1, because the guy who passed 3S will not raise to 4S, because he did say it all, already. And now explain 4C+1 to your partner, hopefully they are as nice as my regular partner ... altough he did write down the number of the psychiatric clinic in his black book, which happens to be only 100m away from the place where I live, in a moment, he believed me stoned. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 2C here - pretty systematic for me - fill pard in now instead of masterminding the hand - let's see what comes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 How do you approach this hand? Dealer: South Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ AK5 ♥ T ♦ ♣ AKQJT9543 Playing my preferred methods, I open 4NT showing a constructive 5 level preempt in either Clubs or Diamonds. The convention is documented in Preempts from A to Z by Anderson and Auken (title really lost something when Sabine Zenkel married) The 4NT opening promises 1. An excellent 8 or 9 card suit2. Sound playing values for the 5 level3. No more than one loser in each suit The responses are Pass = rarely5♣ = pass or correct5♦ = unassuming 5♥ = 1st round control in Hearts and the other minor. Denies a Spade control5♠ = 1st round control in Spades and the other minor, denies a Heart control5NT = First round control in both Majors, denies a minor suit control For what its worth, I really dislike 2♣ with this hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I've played a 4N call where it requests the cue bid af an ace. This hand is ideal for that, plus it helps lock out the sac. I don't think this is a hand for getting cute on with 1♣. You might be successful walking this hand but I doubt it. Rarely in a good game and only in rubber games have I seen this work. If your getting creative on this, I prefer a 3 or 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 As much as I hate a 2♣ bidding with less than 23 HCP maybe this one won't hurt. Still its a poor opening bid who shows nothing, alerts opponents of your playing strenght, and missguides partner on your defensive values. 1♣ for me. I play 4NT as minors, ,didn't really think there was any other treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 2C. I'm not really worried about preemption here. If I open 1C I'm not sure what I'm hoping will develop to intelligently get to 7C, theres a much better chance of a good auction if I open 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I voted for 2♣: 22+ hcp or 16+ hcp with 9+ tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 6C Must be good post, many different answers and approaches, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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