pran Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 So you are in the group that thinks that the denomination specified is the one that is named for the purposes of 27B1(a)? If so, I concur, but many do not.As I have already written in a separate thread: I consulted the Norwegian LC and discovered that their translation of the laws includes the definition of bid as if it were written: bid: an undertaking to win at least a specified number of odd tricks (tricks in excess of six) in a named denomination. IMHO the whole cause of confusion stems from the unfortunate use of the verb [specify, specifies, specified] both in the definition of bid and in Law 27.(Before 2017 this was no problem, now it is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VixTD Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Also, application of this law would not make logical sense if you are guessing at the possible meanings of the insufficient bid instead of determining which denomination or denominations the offender was attempting to show. Another example: (2♣)-2♣ insufficient. Are you going to simply guess at some possible meaning or meanings for the insufficient 2♣ bid? Is it intended as strong and artificial? A Precision 2♣ opening? A natural overcall of a 1-level opening suit bid? Intended to be a Michaels majors showing cuebid over a 1♣ opening? Or will you simply take offender away from the table and have him tell you himself, allowing you as Director to determine if there are any possible replacement calls having similar meaning or which will allow offender's partner to bid at his next turn?We are not interested in what the offender was trying to show, and guessing at the possible meaning is exactly what we do under the new laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I wrote to Adam Wildavsky, he said the LC has been working on a commentary regarding the word "specifies" in 27B1a, so hopefully we'll have a definitive answer to this debate soon. Until then, I think we should stop wasting time in these threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Shouldn't you have used "barrel of monkeys" in a thread dedicated to the Cheating Chimp? And what was the origin of that phrase?More fun than a barrel/cage/box of monkeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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