kdr_fm Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 ♠Kxx♥Txx♦AJx♣AQxx P 1S 2D DblP 3H 3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support Give example hands you'd expect from partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 If cue bid doesn't promise support you need a bid to show support. I suggest 2NT.Natural 2NT hands can do a trap pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 ♠Kxx♥Txx♦AJx♣AQxx P 1S 2D DblP 3H 3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support Give example hands you'd expect from partner. In my view, partner will be a 16-17(poor 18) count including distribution and with 5♠ + 4♥. The 3♥ bid I would take as encouraging/invitational but not completely forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I feel it all depends on your definition of the negative double and whether it does or does not guarantee four cards in Hearts.If it does,then I expect a 15/16 HCP hand {no wastage in diamonds.)If 4 cards is not a guarantee then partner will usually have a 5 carder ( a strong 4Carder will do)Hearts suit and 15/16 HCP.and if you play LTC then a 6 loser hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokoko Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I bid 3♠ - forcing. If this were nonforcing, I should have used a forcing raise instead of double! That said I think 3h should be FG with 5+ hearts (with 4 bid 3d asking partner to bid 3h with 4). With less than a game force (opposite a 2-level negative double) opener may choose from 2h, 2s and 2nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I would think in this auction P - 1 ♠ - 2 ♦ - DBlp - ? that 2 ♥ - minimum opener (12-bad 15) and 4+ ♥3 ♥ - good hand (15+-18) and 4+ ♥3 ♦ - even better hand with ♦ control if subsequent show ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 ♠Kxx♥Txx♦AJx♣AQxx P 1S 2D DblP 3H 3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support Give example hands you'd expect from partner.Have you missed out a call in this auction? I wouldn’t have overcalled 2D with this hand but nor would I have doubled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 i expect i'll be changing my system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD350LC Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 ♠Kxx♥Txx♦AJx♣AQxx P 1S 2D DblP 3H 3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support Give example hands you'd expect from partner.I would expect at least 5 spades and 4 hearts. Since p jumped, I would also expect a game forcing hand-definitely more than a minimum. Say 15-17+ hcp.But then, that is just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 ♠ K x x ♥ T x x ♦ A J x ♣ A Q x xP 1S 2D DblP 3H P3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade supportGive example hands you'd expect from partner. Presumably, the 2♦ overcaller passed (as in the extended auction above)?Over RHO's 2♦, I rate3♦ = CUE. Unless it denies ♠ support.4♠ = NAT.3♣ = NAT.3N = NAT2N = Whatever it means._X = NEG.In the actual auction 3♥ is natural (at least invitational -- forcing by agreement). e.g. ♠ A Q x x x x ♥ K Q x x ♦ x x ♣ K. Now it might be hard to persuade partner that you like ♠ more than ♥s and have such a slam suitable hand. 6♠ could be a crude but practical bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 NF shows around 5s 4h and asks for fit and around 2 aces for game too many hand types to show them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 NF shows around 5s 4h and asks for fit and around 2 aces for game too many hand types to show them all I would never consider a jump shift as NF. But I HATE the dbl as it completely misstates the shape of the hand. Seems to me a cue is premature. But I play 3S as a limit raise and that would understate the values. 2NT is out for no heart stop, so I would likely temporize w/ 3C, forcing and wanting further description of partners hand. From the 3H bid I would expect 5-4 in spades/hearts and 18+ and would be hard pressed not to be in slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJson Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I would never consider a jump shift as NF. But I HATE the dbl as it completely misstates the shape of the hand. Seems to me a cue is premature. But I play 3S as a limit raise and that would understate the values. 2NT is out for no heart stop, so I would likely temporize w/ 3C, forcing and wanting further description of partners hand. From the 3H bid I would expect 5-4 in spades/hearts and 18+ and would be hard pressed not to be in slam.I would never consider the 3H bid as a jump shift, in the same way that a jump opposite a take out double (e.g [1H] - X - [PASS] - 2S) is not. The double is forcing so 2H would show a minimum opener, hence 3H shows about an ace better than minimum. With 18+ you would cuebid first or bid 4H if the double guaranteed either four hearts or a strong hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 Hi, I dont understand the question, the request / the intention of this post.If you can not show the spade support, than bid 3NT, this should showgame going values, a diamond stopper, a (semi) balanced hand, deny 4 hearts. The description comes pretty close? Assuming, you dont have the stopper, move AJx to other suits, go via3D, follow up with 4S. You have limited system agreements, fair enough, live with it, this meansaccept that you can only approximatly show your hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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