MP: vul 5 level overcall by passed hand

[diana_eva]

Matchpoints, white vs red

 

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What's going on here? What would you do next?

 

[Tramticket]

Unless west is a complete beginner, I can only guess that he holds good defensive values against a diamond contract. Seven hearts and five diamonds maybe?

 

Whatever the explanation, I would double.

[steve2005]

West could have 5D or good D, but no reason to believe.

This auction doesn't exist.

So I would assume west is operating and could have anything but does have good long hearts.

What to do I have no idea. I assume partners pass is forcing so would bid on with AD as only defense

[Cyberyeti]

The other hand type he could have is something truly enormous, and figured he'd get more info before picking as he didn't think he could get suitable help from partner, and the opps bidding might be more informative.

 

Example from my experience:

 

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[Tramticket]

The other hand type he could have is something truly enormous, and figured he'd get more info before picking as he didn't think he could get suitable help from partner, and the opps bidding might be more informative.

 

Example from my experience:

 

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I guess that this is possible. But with an enormous hand, he still might find out more by starting with a double.

 

I take partner's pass as forcing and don't feel I have sufficient extra to bid on.

[Cyberyeti]

I guess that this is possible. But with an enormous hand, he still might find out more by starting with a double.

 

 

Only if it doesn't end the auction which although very unlikely you really don't want.

[P_Marlowe]

X

 

In the real world this is easier, you will have some ideas, about the playing strength of West.

[The_Badger]

The only logical explanation is 1♦ is forcing and West doesn't have to bid on the first round.

 

It's a hideous decision, but West might have bid 4♥ on the first round of the auction, and the auction probably would have concluded there, so I don't see any reason to bid on or double at match points. Keep it simple. As to whether partner's pass is forcing in this type of auction, I'll let better players than me decide.

[steve2005]

A hand like in Tramticket post. there is no science that for sure will work.

So bid X pass whatever you think is best chance.

[miamijd]

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[PhilG007]

Matchpoints, white vs red

 

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What's going on here? What would you do next?

I'm suspicious West had the chance to bid his suit over 1 diamond so it could be a misclick. I would check to see what the bid meant

first of all before deciding my next action. If West did not provide an explanation,I would summon the TD for a ruling

[alok c]

What North's 3♣ indicates ?

[PhilG007]

What North's 3♣ indicates ?

I'm assuming a good 6+ suit and 15-16 hcp

[sfi]

Partner's pass is clearly forcing, so we have to take some action. The only sensible choices are double and 6C, but it's hard to work out what is going on. Nonetheless, we know a few thinks:

- LHO is bidding this to make, and wants to be doubled.

- LHO isn't trying to talk us out of slam, since we weren't getting there before their bid.

- Partner doesn't have a clear action, so hands with heart tricks or a singleton diamond and 3 hearts are excluded, as are many hands with a heart shortage.

 

So, what does LHO have? My best guess is something like:

x

AQJTxxx

KQxxx

-

 

where they are buying a singleton diamond and Kxx of hearts in dummy. On this layout, partner needs to lead a heart to beat 5H, but we have two losers in clubs.

 

So I lean towards doubling. If my construction is close to correct, other tables are likely to face a similar problem after an immediate heart bid by LHO, possibly with a raise at some point. So there is no real reason to go all to rescue the position by bidding the slam.

[miamijd]

Partner's pass is clearly forcing, so we have to take some action. The only sensible choices are double and 6C, but it's hard to work out what is going on. Nonetheless, we know a few thinks:

- LHO is bidding this to make, and wants to be doubled.

- LHO isn't trying to talk us out of slam, since we weren't getting there before their bid.

- Partner doesn't have a clear action, so hands with heart tricks or a singleton diamond and 3 hearts are excluded, as are many hands with a heart shortage.

 

So, what does LHO have? My best guess is something like:

x

AQJTxxx

KQxxx

-

 

where they are buying a singleton diamond and Kxx of hearts in dummy. On this layout, partner needs to lead a heart to beat 5H, but we have two losers in clubs.

 

So I lean towards doubling. If my construction is close to correct, other tables are likely to face a similar problem after an immediate heart bid by LHO, possibly with a raise at some point. So there is no real reason to go all to rescue the position by bidding the slam.

 

Why would LHO not bid some number of hearts with that hand over 1D? Wouldn't you?

 

I would think it more likely that LHO has something like

 

Axx

AKQJxxxxx

x

void

 

Cheers,

mike

[Stefan_O]

I'm suspicious West had the chance to bid his suit over 1 diamond so it could be a misclick. I would check to see what the bid meant

first of all before deciding my next action. If West did not provide an explanation,I would summon the TD for a ruling

 

Ummm... what do you expect the TD to rule in this situation,

other than tell you to place your next bidding card?

 

If you force West to say something, I'd expect "No agreement." :)

[diana_eva]

OK, so this doesn't exist, at least there's agreement on that. I decided to double.

 

This was the full hand:

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?s=S43H9DAJT65C96532&w=SAKJ9HAQJT7654D2C&n=ST87HDKQ4CAKJT874&e=SQ652HK832D9873CQ&d=n&v=e&a=1CP1DP3CP5C5HPPDPPP&p=CACQC2H4HAC4H2H9&c=12]399|300[/hv]

West was indeed operating, for some unknown reason. This was board 3 out of 12, I don't see why he found it necessary to gamble. Opps made 5Hx+1 which, surprisingly was around 40% because most of the field was in 6H making. Had I passed, it would have been 57%.

[wank]

presumably he's sandbagging.

 

anyway, it doesn't matter; if partner's not doubled, we should keep bidding - our club length is effectively negative defensive tricks. hopefully we won't be given the same decision at the 6 level.

[nekthen]

OK, so this doesn't exist, at least there's agreement on that. I decided to double.

 

This was the full hand:

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?s=S43H9DAJT65C96532&w=SAKJ9HAQJT7654D2C&n=ST87HDKQ4CAKJT874&e=SQ652HK832D9873CQ&d=n&v=e&a=1CP1DP3CP5C5HPPDPPP&p=CACQC2H4HAC4H2H9&c=12]399|300[/hv]

West was indeed operating, for some unknown reason. This was board 3 out of 12, I don't see why he found it necessary to gamble. Opps made 5Hx+1 which, surprisingly was around 40% because most of the field was in 6H making. Had I passed, it would have been 57%.

 

East could redouble, he has two perfect cards and probably should have bid 6H

 

Also, a pet peeve, why does north think it necessary to bid 3C? Surely this is only worth 2C?

[Tramticket]

East could redouble, he has two perfect cards and probably should have bid 6H

 

Also, a pet peeve, why does north think it necessary to bid 3C? Surely this is only worth 2C?

 

 

"East could redouble" ... maybe we find our club sacrifice then!

 

"why does north think it necessary to bid 3C?" ... Maybe North thinks that (at least) six certain club tricks + KQX in partner's suit + a void adds up to a good hand? Don't you like North's hand?

[diana_eva]

Well bidding on was best, obviously, but the bidding took me so much by surprise that I felt opps are making fun of us and pushing us to sac over the impossible call. If I had given West credit that he's not crazy, I'd probably bid on.

 

3C was perfectly fine, the problem was mostly me believing West went nuts.

[Cyberyeti]

OK, so this doesn't exist, at least there's agreement on that. I decided to double.

 

This was the full hand:

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?s=S43H9DAJT65C96532&w=SAKJ9HAQJT7654D2C&n=ST87HDKQ4CAKJT874&e=SQ652HK832D9873CQ&d=n&v=e&a=1CP1DP3CP5C5HPPDPPP&p=CACQC2H4HAC4H2H9&c=12]399|300[/hv]

West was indeed operating, for some unknown reason. This was board 3 out of 12, I don't see why he found it necessary to gamble. Opps made 5Hx+1 which, surprisingly was around 40% because most of the field was in 6H making. Had I passed, it would have been 57%.

 

Did anybody fail to get a spade on the table against 6♣N which would be the true embarrassment

[diana_eva]

Did anybody fail to get a spade on the table against 6♣N which would be the true embarrassment

 

Yes. There were 4-5 6Cx making

 

Edit: Actually there were 10. It was a big tourney, scores all over the place:

 

http://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands.php?traveller=7239-1503709200-7583368&username=coolbeans

Edited August 29, 2017 by diana_eva

[Cyberyeti]

Yes. There were 4-5 6Cx making

 

Edit: Actually there were 10. It was a big tourney, scores all over the place:

 

http://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands.php?traveller=7239-1503709200-7583368&username=coolbeans

 

That sort of lead problem reminds me of a hand of mine where there was an even bigger swing on the line, and team mates butchered the chance of a 24 IMP swing.

 

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Your choice of lead is the difference between +500/800 and -2470, at the other table, declarer misplayed 6♠x to go off, so your choice of lead potentially swings 34 IMPs.

[sfi]

Why would LHO not bid some number of hearts with that hand over 1D? Wouldn't you?

 

I would think it more likely that LHO has something like

 

Axx

AKQJxxxxx

x

void

 

Cheers,

mike

 

Yes I would bid over 1D, but there is no hand West can hold on this bidding that wouldn't merit a bid then. It's clear West is operating.

 

I am surprised North passed on the actual hand. The diamond honours suggest a 6C bid to me.