portia2 Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1h2spp3c]133|100|playing SAYC, what does the 3C bid show? thanks[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I think the default is that in most situations (except over opener's rebid of 1nt), new suit by unpassed responder should be considered forcing naturalish. Would require fancy non-sayc, non beginner/int agreements with double and/or 2nt to cater to shapely hands that want to bid a non-forcing 3c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portia2 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 I think the default is that in most situations (except over opener's rebid of 1nt), new suit by unpassed responder should be considered forcing naturalish. Would require fancy non-sayc, non beginner/int agreements with double and/or 2nt to cater to shapely hands that want to bid a non-forcing 3c.what lengths could I expect in hearts and clubs respectively? 5-5? 5-4? could it be 4-5 4-6, bidding the major first ahead of a minor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portia2 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 I think the default is that in most situations (except over opener's rebid of 1nt), new suit by unpassed responder should be considered forcing naturalish. Would require fancy non-sayc, non beginner/int agreements with double and/or 2nt to cater to shapely hands that want to bid a non-forcing 3c.what lengths could I expect in hearts and clubs respectively? 5-5? 5-4? could it be 4-5 4-6, bidding the major first ahead of a minor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 what lengths could I expect in hearts and clubs respectively? 5-5? 5-4? could it be 4-5 4-6, bidding the major first ahead of a minor? Responder has enough cards to bid at the 3 level, therefore there is no reason to suggest that he/she has suppressed a longer minor on the first round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 what lengths could I expect in hearts and clubs respectively? 5-5? 5-4? could it be 4-5 4-6, bidding the major first ahead of a minor?And what length in spades? Responder should have spades, with spade shortage, he should make a reopening X.Responder should also not be semibalanced with a spade stopper, he should bid NT.Responder should also not be 5431 (diamond single) with a spade stopper, again he should bid NT.I would also rule out 5521 (diamond doubleton / spade single), go with X, but this maycause disagreement. you will end up with 5+ hearts for sure, and shape 5521 (diamond single) or 64. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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