Bidding Competition!

[MrAce]

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IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

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IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

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IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

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IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

Once you guys reply, I will post the results of the expert votes for these hands in no longer than 3 days from now.

[ye17]

1. Pass

2. 3♦

3. Pass

4. 5♠

[nullve]

1. 2♣

2. 3♥

3. Pass

4. 6♠

[eagles123]

1 3H

2 3H

3 P

4 5H

[manudude03]

1. 2C

2. 3H

3. 3C (assuming we open 1D with 4-4 minors), otherwise pass

4. 6S

[Kaitlyn S]

1. Is this one of those times Jeff Rubens advocates for 1NT?

I'll try 2C.

2. 3H.

3. 3C.

4. 6S. i was tempted to bid 6C but partner might drive to seven with KQJTxxx, -, AQxx, Ax.

[wank]

1) 2c

2) double

3) pass

4) 6s

[rhm]

1) 1NT (too much to pass, not enough to force to game)

2) 3♥ followed by a diamond bid. I give up on 3NT.

3) DBL playing with an expert partner

4) 5NT just in case partner will bid hearts.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 2H, I will raise 2S to 3S

#2 5D, ..., 2 NT as some artifical bid would be helpful

#3 3C

#4 5H, ... what ever partner thinks it is, I have it

[Tramticket]

Some of these are tough.

 

1 2♣

2 3♥

3 3♣

4 6♠

[The_Badger]

1. 2♣

2. Dbl

3. Pass

4. 5♥

[rmnka447]

1. 2 ♥

2. Dbl - 3 H takes up too much room, need to know more about partner's hand. Game in NT or either minor is still possible.

3. Pass

4. 6 ♠

[Winstonm]

1. 2S - too much for pass and everything else feels too wrong.

2. Double

3. Pass

4. 6S should be reasonable

[gszes]

2s p may be taking a conservative route -- since we are far from broke it seems best at IMPS to keep things going and 2s looks like the smallest lie.

 

3c cant mess around with 2s since that could easily be competitive and NF. x does not help in any way shape or form. 3c keeps things going and gives us our best shot at finding strain and level.

 

pass very much want to compete to 3c but we have the wrong kinds of values (queens) for minor suit game and unsure we can keep partner quiet if we bid here. There is also that risk vs reward thing not sure any reward available but can certainly see risk.

 

6s no way to search for 7 so might as well bid what we think we can make. Rho certainly thinks we can make a lot.

[shyams]

1. I like 1NT. Just a bit light to try 2♣. Also, 1NT gives partner room to cue 2♣ and show a monster hand.

2. Dbl

3. Pass

4. 5NT, then 6♠

[wank]

From the responses so far, methinks people are grossly overbidding on 2.

 

3 isnt very interesting imo. You need to be marking on the Nigel scale for anything except pass to score points

[Zelandakh]

1. 1NT, particularly if Timo is my partner ;)

2. X, though I would like to know what 2NT would be before pulling the card out

3. Pass

4. Whichever of 5♥ or Pass followed by 5/6♥ is our FNJ

[MrAce]

1. 1NT, particularly if Timo is my partner ;)

 

 

+1

 

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[Winstonm]

From the responses so far, methinks people are grossly overbidding on 2.

 

3 isnt very interesting imo. You need to be marking on the Nigel scale for anything except pass to score points

 

I would think a double on #2 would have to be considered cooperative unless the opponents are stark raving idiots. Partner has heard the auction and knows that sitting in front of the heart bidder the double has to be more on general "cards" than hearts.

[dokoko]

#1 2♥

#2 dbl

#3 pass

#4 6♠

[MrAce]

My own choices were

 

1-2♥

2-3♥

3-2♠

4-5♥

 

I collected 380 over 400.

 

The Expert panel included these names:

 

Michael Rosenberg

Erick Rodwell

Billy Eisenberg

Marshall Miles

Eddie Kantar

Zia Mahmood

Eric Kokish

Larry cohen

 

Problem #1

 

2♥=100

2♣=80

3♥=60

2♠=50

2♦=40

PASS=30

 

Problem #2

 

3♥=100

DBL=50

3♦=30

2 NT=20

3♣=20

 

Problem # 3

 

2♠=100

Pass=70

DBL=20

3♣=10

 

Problem # 4

 

6♠=100

5♥=80

PASS(forcing)=70

5♦=70

5♠=50

5 NT=30

[MrAce]

From the responses so far, methinks people are grossly overbidding on 2.

 

Huh?

Your pd opened and you have 12 count including AAK and no wasted hcps, and you call making a cuebid a "gross overbid"? I think your comment is a "gross overbid" http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

No wonder the panel disagrees with you.

[nige1]

Once you guys reply, I will post the results of the expert votes for these hands in no longer than 3 days from now.

Thank you Mr Ace

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1. IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

I rank

1. 2♥ = NAT. Showing 5th ♥.

2. 2♦ = NAT. Where your values are.

3. 2♠ = NAT. Exaggerates support.

4. 2♣ = ART. A bit weird.

5. 1N = NAT. Unnecessary distortion,

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2. IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

I rank

1. 3♥ = CUE. LHO's bid has improved your hand.

2. 3♦ = NAT. Underbid.

3. 2N =NAT. Weird.

4. X = T/O. But partner is likley to think it's PEN.

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3. IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

I rank

1. Pass = NAT.

2. 2♠ = NAT in case opener has 4 ♠s.

3. 3♣ = NAT.

4. Double = T/O. Overbid

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4. IMP, expert pd and opponents.

 

I rank

1. 5♠ = NAT.

2. Pass = ART. Forcing.

3. 6♠ = NAT. 3 card support and 3 controls.

4. 5♥ = NAT. In case opponents sacrifice at 6 level.

5. 5♦ = CUE.

6. Double = PEN. [/hv]

[nullve]

So I won the competition, with 350 out of 400. :)

 

Still:

 

I would have bid 1N at the table on board 1. 2♥ ought to promise 6+ H.

I didn't know what I was doing on board 2.

I'm not sure the jury knew what they were doing on board 3.

[MrAce]

I would have bid 1N at the table on board 1. 2♥ ought to promise 6+ H.

 

FYI. expert consensus is to jump to 3♥ with 6♥ and weak hands.

 

 

I'm not sure the jury knew what they were doing on board 3.

 

They knew exactly what they were doing as did I. Just because you do not understand them does not mean they do not know what they are doing. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

 

[hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1n2hpp]133|100[/hv]

 

• Your pd can easily hold 4432 or 4333 or 4243 shape. So unless you are passing, only correct call is 2♠ so you do not have to play a 4-3 fit at 3 level instead of 2 level.
• No need to mention, if you have a 4-4 ♣ fit, bidding 2♠ now does not prevent us from finding club fit
• Even if you have a 4-4 fit, playing a 4-3 fit at 2 level, with hcps split equally for both sides, is preferable for most.
• You already denied 4 card major with 1 NT so there is no chance of it being misunderstood (for experts)

I hope that helps you to have a better understanding of the reasons behind their votes. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

 

EDIT: When I voted, I knew it would be between pass and 2♠ and I admit when I voted for 2♠ I was not expecting it to get the top score (despite believing that it is) because most of the expert panel members are like allergic to any undiscussed artificial bids. Which is very reasonable approach but even they voted for 2♠!