weejonnie Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 There are certainly cases where the decision as to what partner's UI is problematic. If a player can argue that they thought partner's BIT was showing one thing, and the TD/ AC concludes it was something else - and in those cases I would not be awarding PPs. Then we have cases of unauthorised panic and deliberately setting a final contract to prevent the auction going off the rails - these are definitely ones where a PP is required. Last night at the club a player turned over their card, and then showed it again and asked for the others to be shown. I politely declined. "Well this is a friendly club". Players obey law 65 - why not law 66? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 It seems "friendly" means "we allow people to cheat". :angry: :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shugart23 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 this is a bit off topic, but suppose you have a intermediate strength hand and you are about to make the opening bid, but partner inadvertently jumps in and opens the bid out of turn.....so then, if I remember correctly, opponent can not accept the bid and then partner is banned from the auction , right ?....If this is correct, can I just open the bidding 3NT ?....This seems like I am using the info that my partner has 'something', hence I shouldn't be allowed to do that but I see it all the time and quite possibly have done this myself... Ethically, what am I supposed to do ?...The authorized information I have is that I know partner is banned from the auction with some kind of opening point count... Similarly, suppose I have 16 to HCP, and partner bids a strong 1C out of turn...Can I just bid 6NT on a wing and a prayer ?...doesn't seem right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 this is a bit off topic, but suppose you have a intermediate strength hand and you are about to make the opening bid, but partner inadvertently jumps in and opens the bid out of turn.....so then, if I remember correctly, opponent can not accept the bid and then partner is banned from the auction , right ?....If this is correct, can I just open the bidding 3NT ?.... You haven't got the law right :( Today: The bid out of turn can be accepted. If it is not accepted then the partner of the bidder out of turn is silenced. Tomorrow (in some jurisdictions): The bid out of turn can be accepted. If it is not accepted and it is partner's turn to call, then partner is not silenced but has UI from the bid out of turn.At offender's turn, if he makes a comparable call then there is no further penalty, otherwise partner is silenced for one round. (There may not be a comparable call if partner opens.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 You haven't got the law right :( Today: The bid out of turn can be accepted. If it is not accepted then the partner of the bidder out of turn is silenced. Tomorrow (in some jurisdictions): The bid out of turn can be accepted. If it is not accepted and it is partner's turn to call, then partner is not silenced but has UI from the bid out of turn.At offender's turn, if he makes a comparable call then there is no further penalty, otherwise partner is silenced for one round. (There may not be a comparable call if partner opens.) The WBFLC really hate bridge, don't they. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 You haven't got the law right :(Yes he did. You misunderstood "can not" as "cannot". "can not accept it" means "is allowed to not accept it". "cannot accept it" means "is not allowed to accept it". It would have been clearer if he'd written something like "opponent can refuse the bid and then partner is banned". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shugart23 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 yeah, my bad on the grammar (and not using the Queen's English).....Seems like I had the consequence backwards though. Thanks for clarifying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 yeah, my bad on the grammar (and not using the Queen's English).....Seems like I had the consequence backwards though. Thanks for clarifyingNo problem, it takes a linguistic pedant to receognize the distinction. Lots of people write "can not" when they mean "cannot", and in most situations the context makes it clear what they really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Apparently "can not" is generally considered ambiguous. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/4620/is-can-not-unambiguous/403810#403810 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejonnie Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 You haven't got the law right :( Today: The bid out of turn can be accepted. If it is not accepted then the partner of the bidder out of turn is silenced. Tomorrow (in some jurisdictions): The bid out of turn can be accepted. If it is not accepted and it is partner's turn to call, then partner is not silenced but has UI from the bid out of turn.At offender's turn, if he makes a comparable call then there is no further penalty, otherwise partner is silenced for one round. (There may not be a comparable call if partner opens.)Under the new laws, (NB the above applies not only if it is partner's turn to speak but also if it was LHO's turn to speak for the first time.)Although there may be no further penalty (under the new laws), if the NOS are damaged as a result of the comparable call then the Director awards an adjusted score (23C)And if the call is not a comparable call then not only must partner pass on his next turn to call, he will be subject to lead penalties if he becomes a defender (can be forbidden, at his first turn to lead, from leading any one suit not mentioned by his partner in the legal auction, such prohibition to last while he retains the lead). You are allowed to know that partner will be forced to pass (16A1c) and you are now allowed to vary your system, consequent on your own irregularities (previously the RA could prevent this (40B3 - old laws) - they can still restrict psychs of artificial calls). (I think, as a Director) the new lead penalty, actually (now) make life easier - you don't need to know what the withdrawn call meant in terms of denomination(s).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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