flytoox Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 As dealer, you hold: S: X H: JT98XX D: -- C: AKQT98 (1) What do you bid? (2) Suppose you open 1H, opp keep silence during the auction. auction goes: 1H-2D-2H-2S-2N-3H-? what do you bid now? 5H, 6c? Do you try H slam? How to find out the suit quality in this case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 I can't understand any of my bids :-)I opened 1h now over 2d did I bid 2h? Seems impossible.And 2nt over 2s? Incredible.If that's true I 100% abstain from answering because the bidding is a complete aberration.Maybe there's a transcription error then I'll be happy to give an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Assuming you are playing 2/1, not SAYC, I interpret your partner's bidding to show one of two hand types:1) Long (6/good 5) diamonds, 4 spades, and 2 hearts.2) 4-5 diamonds, a spade stopper, and 2 hearts, balanced distribution. He may have 3 clubs, but probably not. Don't bid clubs now. 3H could be slow arrival, but could just be showing 2 hearts, to give you the choice of 3NT and 4H. Even with extra values, partner's values are in your void and singleton, and you only have 10 hcp. You probably can't ruff a club in dummy. You have at least one trump loser. Bid 4 hearts. The real question is: why did you rebid that terrible heart suit arather than bidding 3 clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 First: What system are we playing?I need to know whether responder could rebid 3H as forcing on the second round of the auciton.Did partner have a strong jump shoft available? Second, I'm not sure if I would open 1H (I'd prefer to open 1C based on the drastic difference in suit quality) Third, why did I rebid 2NT over 2S? 2H is understandable if the partnership treats 3C as a high reverse, however, 2NT is questionable [to say the least]. Right now you have two insurmountable problems:Partner will never believe that you supressed a 6 card club suit to the AKQYou have not way to safely investigate heart quality. At this point in time, I would bid a simple 4H and apologize if partner tables any dummy with a singleton heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 I, like Luis, will abstain as the auction makes little sense to me either. In addition, i have the advantage of watching the auction when it happened between you and caroltom. I am afraid I would have bid the hand completely differently. I would have opened 1C and with this 10 count, reversed into hearts and rebid hearts again. Yes, i don't have enough defense for a reverse and, yes I barely have an "opening count" so a reverse seems too drastic. If I had a partner who can't stand such reverses, I would open 1H then bid and rebid clubs, but this could easy get us beyond 3NT, which is another reason to prefer 1C. ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 I can't understand any of my bids :-)I opened 1h now over 2d did I bid 2h? Seems impossible.And 2nt over 2s? Incredible.If that's true I 100% abstain from answering because the bidding is a complete aberration.Maybe there's a transcription error then I'll be happy to give an opinion. :D seems I need to take some solid training in bidding. The reason I bid 2h over 2d is that 3c takes too much space and I think I dont have extra value. The reason I bid 2N over pd's 2s is that if I bid 3c, then it is very likely pd will bid 3N, then I dont know what to do. I admit here 2N is very problematic, but dont know if 2h is or not. The more important question here is probably that should I open 1h or 1c? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 I, like Luis, will abstain as the auction makes little sense to me either. In addition, i have the advantage of watching the auction when it happened between you and caroltom. I am afraid I would have bid the hand completely differently. I would have opened 1C and with this 10 count, reversed into hearts and rebid hearts again. Yes, i don't have enough defense for a reverse and, yes I barely have an "opening count" so a reverse seems too drastic. If I had a partner who can't stand such reverses, I would open 1H then bid and rebid clubs, but this could easy get us beyond 3NT, which is another reason to prefer 1C. ben To be honest, in the actuall deal, 1c opening would work very well. 1c-1d-1h-1s-2h. Then pd has much clearer idea about my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Should I open 1H or 1C? Put to a vote, I am fairly sure 1H will win hands down. After all, with 5H and 6C, the vote always goest for 1H, so what should we expect 6-6 results to be? So I am certain 1H will win. Having said that, I would have opened 1C. The general reason for such a bid when one suit is much stronger in high cards than the other is to get partner off the "right" lead if you defend. That is, to keep partner from leading heart K from Kx. But do you really think you would defend 4S on this hand. So I think this "get the right lead" reason is not important consideration. I open 1C and rebid hearts twice to show my 5-6 hand (i treat this 6 card heart suit as a five card suit, and I tend to open 5-6 hands in the six card suit). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Si it wasn't a transcription error :-)I'd have opened this hand 1c and bid it as a 6-5 hand with 5 hearts and 6 clubs, but I can accept the 1h bid.Now if we do open 1h we should rebid 3c over 2d, and if pd bids 3s rebid 4c . 1h is doubtful but perfectly acceptable. 2h is wrong and 2nt just describes a 6-6 hands as a 6322 with 6 hearts. I agree with the reversal approach suggested by Inquiry based on losers the hand is worth a reversal.1c-1d1h-1s2h-xx3hSeems to prefectly describe the hand as some sort of freakish 6-5 or similar. And we have a lot of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Si it wasn't a transcription error :-)I'd have opened this hand 1c and bid it as a 6-5 hand with 5 hearts and 6 clubs, but I can accept the 1h bid.Now if we do open 1h we should rebid 3c over 2d, and if pd bids 3s rebid 4c . 1h is doubtful but perfectly acceptable. 2h is wrong and 2nt just describes a 6-6 hands as a 6322 with 6 hearts. I agree with the reversal approach suggested by Inquiry based on losers the hand is worth a reversal.1c-1d1h-1s2h-xx3hSeems to prefectly describe the hand as some sort of freakish 6-5 or similar. And we have a lot of space. Yes, after this sequence. we may reach 6c, which is much better than 6h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 So flytoox can you post the entire hand so we can take a look?BTW: I apologize if the term "bidding aberration" sounded rude to you, I've produced worst auctions and not only in my past :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Fourrière Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 I don't believe I will be able to show 6-6 with solid clubs and weakish hearts even if I open 1C, and I don't want opponents to bid 4S. So I'd open 4H and hope for the best (but bid 5C if they say 4S). For the record, two Polish pairs opened 2D, but that doesn't seem right either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 So flytoox can you post the entire hand so we can take a look?BTW: I apologize if the term "bidding aberration" sounded rude to you, I've produced worst auctions and not only in my past :-) I had the pleasure to kibitz flytool and caroltom when they played this hand. Caroltom's hand was the very reasonable (hearts 3-2 with doubleton Queen, clubs 3-2)... KQ83AKKT985J2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 So flytoox can you post the entire hand so we can take a look?BTW: I apologize if the term "bidding aberration" sounded rude to you, I've produced worst auctions and not only in my past :-) Sry to reply a bit late. Inquiry kindly posted the hand already. 6H is not that good contract, but 6c is excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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