scoob Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 (ok, so it's not really a poll) partner deals; opps quiet [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s8ht753da84ckj765]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 1♠* - 1NT**2♥ - ??? * limited to 15** 8-10 what do you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3H 8-10 HCP, 4H, 8 LOSER HAND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3♥ also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3H Wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3H Wtp? Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 4!h... we are vul, partner will not think i am this good for 3!h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3♥ ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3H. Game is still possible, so just ask opener. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3H as well. A straight 4 might make but may also drive pard to a hopeless 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3♥ if no other agreement. I prefer 2NT to be a sound raise of opener's second suit; then I have 3♥ free to show a weaker 4-card raise (not invitational). If opener is max (17-18 and a singleton in a natural system) he may consider a raise. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3♥ here seems clear. I should mention that this seems to be a perfect hand for the methods. Since 1NT is 8-10, there is no real danger that the 3♥ raise might show a better hand. In 2/1, 1NT is much wider ranging and there's a possibility partner might take me for 11-12 points on the 3♥ bid. On the other hand, the opening is limited, so presumably pass is an option with a mediocre eight count. I'd assume opener had the option to rebid 3♥ with 5-5 in the majors and a near-max. This means my 3♥ raise should show a little extra in terms of playing strength -- with doubleton spade instead of one of the small clubs passing should be quite safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 4!h... we are vul, partner will not think i am this good for 3!h I thought your partner would open according to the rule of 17, especially when playing Precision? 3♥ may already be too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 4!h... we are vul, partner will not think i am this good for 3!h This is exactly why you should play 2NT as a constructive heart raise. That gives him room to explore if in doubt. 3♥ ruins all game tries. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 3♥, nothing else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 I would raise to 3H too, but this hand is not so good as many suggested here. If pd has 5431, you are likely down in 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 i tend to agree with ben.. i already had a decent hand, now it's even better... i'd bid 4h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 what do you bid now? 3H,, top of promised values, actually you even have extras isn shape, 3H is invitational, with 8 losers it sounds correct. pard should bid game with 6-6.5 losers hand, eeven if he holds a minimum in hcp. AQxxx-Axxx-x-Qx AJTxx-KQxx-Kxx-x Are examples of (close to) minimums in terms of hcp that should accept Game Invite. Sometimes some of these minimums can go down, but they are a good bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 4!h... we are vul, partner will not think i am this good for 3!h I thought your partner would open according to the rule of 17, especially when playing Precision? 3♥ may already be too high. I use ZAR points rather than rule of 17. My partner will open some 7 or 8 hcp hands, even six if not ACBL, with appropriate distribution and a minimum of 26 ZAR points. My hand, in support of hearts has 8 hcp, 3 control points, 13 distributional points, 1 point for the heart ten, and 2 points for the singleton spade in support of hearts. That comes to 27 ZAR support points. Now the truth is there should be some minus for the fact that I don't support partner's first suit. But partner doesn't have to have a mimimum of 26, he could have 27 or 28, and would pass the jump to 3H. Being Vul at imps, I am not willing to languish in 3H. Can 3H be too high? Of course, but it can be too low as well. At Matchpoint, 3H is enough. Not vul at imps, 3H is probably enough. It would be nice if you could use 2NT here as "strong" invite to 4H, but this is clearly not standard and the question here is between pass, 3H and 4H I beleive. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted April 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 ok, seems 3♥ is pretty popular here would any of you change your opinion if you know for certain opener's ♥'s are only 4 long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 All my strneght is in partner's shortness, so I am gonna pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 All my strneght is in partner's shortness, so I am gonna pass. :huh: Well an ace is an ace so it will play even if partner is short in ♦. So how do you know your partner is short in ♣ ? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 ok, seems 3♥ is pretty popular here would any of you change your opinion if you know for certain opener's ♥'s are only 4 long? Not me.I'm still a 3H bidder, with a 8 losers hand my hand is invitational regardless of pard holding 4 or 5 hearts.I may go down but on too many layouts I can make 4 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 ok, seems 3♥ is pretty popular here would any of you change your opinion if you know for certain opener's ♥'s are only 4 long? When you bid 3♥ you don't know if partner has 4 or 5♥ and this hand remains an invite :( Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 ok, seems 3♥ is pretty popular here would any of you change your opinion if you know for certain opener's ♥'s are only 4 long? Hi, at least, this is an important information,another one would be, how high is the probabiliy that I have to deal with a bal.opener. This depends on opener options- are there 2 suited openings available- which NT range is included / excludes from your precision 1C / 1D opener I am not sure that this would change my 3H bid, but it makes it less clear. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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