MrAce Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=sakq7hat6dckj8753&w=sjt5hkj5dkj754c42&n=s986432h832dt2caq&e=shq974daq9863ct96&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=ppp1c1d1s2c4dp4sppp]399|300[/hv] 2/1 IMP pairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Poor S wanted to bid again I suspect but just can't. You can obviously have a play for 12 or 13 tricks on days your side has the all important A of clubs even if he has 4 little trumps. Its a difficult position for S, I see no blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Personally, I don't understand East's 2♣ or South's 4♦. That South hand is massive in support of ♠s. At equal vulnerability I take on board that it's less likely that the opponents will sacrifice (though it works well here). Did South expect anything other than 4♠ from North? Though to be honest, it's going to take an imaginative bidding sequence to reach slam. Splintering with a South hand that has a distributional total point count in the region of 22 with top trumps is unimaginative in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 I'm not crazy about splinters when I have a long suit that might be a source of tricks if partner has a bit of help. If possible I would bid 4C, which should get something besides a sign-off from partner. 4H last train would be ideal, and the lack of wasted diamond values may be enough for South to push for the slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 north has far too much for 4s. all the blame to him. 2 extra trumps a.k.a. tricks and 2 top honours in partner's main suit. oh dear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masse24 Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 I like a 4♥ Last Train, if available. If not, sitting North, I would think a bit longer and probably still make a move. North owns this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Rub of the green, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 The 4♦ bid, self pre-empting staring at those trumps plus the ♥A PLUS the diamond void is very ill considered. Is north really going to cue 5♣ over that? (with just about anything that makes 6 let alone 7) A simple 2♦ cue to set spades and a further cue (of hearts probably) would do the job against anything but a fast 5♦ bid by them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 The 4d bid is spot on here since any (non dia values) hands responder might have put us in the slam zone. Wank was spot on as well noting that N instead of counting HCP should trust their p to know what they are doing and give a simple 5c raise. Followed by 5d 5s 6c (if your partnership cannot cue the club Q here u are missing out on much) 7s shows how easy this game can get sometimes. FWIW i would give the simple 5c bid with only 4 spades in hand much less 6 of them:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=sakq7hat6dckj8753&w=sjt5hkj5dkj754c42&n=s986432h832dt2caq&e=shq974daq9863ct96&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=ppp1c1d1s2c4dp4sppp]399|300|2/1 IMP pairs[/hv]Agree with Blackshoe, that it's hard. IMOSouth 20%. Naturally, South is worried about his ♥ losers. On reflection, however, I go along with ggwizz's argument that South has a 3-4 loser hand with no trump loser. Thus, perhaps, he is too good for a 4♦ splinter. Hence, maybe, South should take it more slowly. For slam purposes, North's ♣ holding is likely to be crucial. Slam is reasonable opposite a fitting 2-count e.g. ♠ x x x x x x ♥ x ♦ x x x x ♣ Q xNorth 30%. North lacks ♠ tops but South is likely to have good trumps when he shows 4+ card support for a 6-card suit. With such good ♣s, North might bid 4♥ (Last-train). Perhaps North worries that South might have a more typical splinter. e.g. ♠ K J x x ♥ A K Q x ♦ x ♣ K J x x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Blame S, 4♦ is clearcut voidwood for me, 3♦ would be a splinter, xxxxx, xxx, xxx, Ax is a decent slam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 north has far too much for 4s. all the blame to him. 2 extra trumps a.k.a. tricks and 2 top honours in partner's main suit. oh dearAgree 1000%. AKxx Axx x Kjxxx. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 The 4♦ bid, self pre-empting staring at those trumps plus the ♥A PLUS the diamond void is very ill considered. Is north really going to cue 5♣ over that? (with just about anything that makes 6 let alone 7) A simple 2♦ cue to set spades and a further cue (of hearts probably) would do the job against anything but a fast 5♦ bid by them. Agree, especially when holding a potential trick source in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Agree 1000%. AKxx Axx x Kjxxx. I see you thinking but where do you draw the line on the splinter bid? AQxx, AKx, x, Kxxxx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Blame S, 4♦ is clearcut voidwood for me, 3♦ would be a splinter, xxxxx, xxx, xxx, Ax is a decent slam Playing 3♦ splinter and 4♦ exclusion is like purchasing an F-16 for a fist fight in case you may need it one day! . You will not need it when 4 people are bidding and particularly when one of them cued? Come on Cyber, you know better than that! http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif I see you thinking but where do you draw the line on the splinter bid? AQxx, AKx, x, Kxxxx? This is not a splinter hand if you have only one splinter available.(perhaps borderline) If you play both 3 and 4 ♦ as different range splinters then you know pd can not hold this hand for his 4♦. I think Wank and Arend hit the nail on this one, but I may as well be biased because I was the one who bid 4♦. It is easy when seeing pd has 5th and 6th ♠. It is totally another story when he holds only 4 card ♠ and short clubs and I can easily construct hands where making 4♠ either needs a perfect tempo or has no play at all. 5 level can be nightmare and this is assuming you can stop at 5 level after 1 more move. Txxx QJx Qxxx xx Do not expect more than this (value wise) when one of them bids and other one cues) Thanks to all for the replies. I was expecting more people to blame me (South) than the replies here but I am sort of relieved by the replies http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 I stand corrected. However, there are bidding sequences that show voids, and bidding sequences that show singletons. As quite a few commentators have said, there are plenty of South hands where slam would be a no-go. Blaming North entirely is (to me) unfair. If you're going to use splinters, use splinters to show a singleton specifically (which come up more times statistically than a void as everybody knows). The suggestion I was going to write but thought better of it is that South bids 2♦ followed by 4♦ to show this rockcrusher with a void. The reason I didn't is that East/West's bidding is at best lacklustre, and at worse amateurish. In a normal competitive auction, if South bids 2♦ will he be allowed to bid 4♦ if East/West bid properly? We shall never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 The suggestion I was going to write but thought better of it is that South bids 2♦ followed by 4♦ to show this rockcrusher with a void. The reason I didn't is that East/West's bidding is at best lacklustre, and at worse amateurish. I have sympathy to starting 2♦ suhhestion but I do not see south hand as "rockcrusher" as you see. What makes NS hands so strong is5th and 6th spadeAQ♣ support♦VoidFor example AxxxAKx--Kxxxxx is still a very decent slam. I like the idea of 3♦ showing single and 4♦ void BUT NOT void wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 I like the idea of 3♦ showing single and 4♦ void BUT NOT void wood.We play mini-splinters, both in competition, and when opponents are silent. For us, 3♦ shows a raise to at least the 3-level, with a ♦ shortage (singleton or a void). Thus, in the 1st instance, the mini-splinter acts as a game-try but, later, might turn out to have been a slam try. . The mini-splinter opens up space for exploration. For.example, 3N by either of us is a serious slam try. If strong enough, we can repeat the cue-bid with 4♦, to show a void, rather than a singleon. This frees up a direct 4♦, which you might define as a void-spinter with a specific range. I confess that we use it as voidwood :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Out of curiosity I arranged a poll in BW for the S hand. http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/bidding-problem-2-kbpfg6g94x/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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