One, three or four?

[shyams]

Scoring: Matchpoints

 

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And an additional question (if you don't open 1♥):

-- What is the smallest strengthening of the above hand that makes it good for 1♥?

[eagles123]

I would open 4H, I don't hate 3H that much. It's a long way short of 1H imo.

[The_Badger]

Eight card solid suit, 3 of top 5 honours, no or precious little defence outside, always 4♥ for me.

 

And even if the ♦K was the A, i'll still open 4♥. 1♥ as an opener doesn't even enter into the equation.

[neilkaz]

It would be really nice if opening bid questions and especially those involving preempts would include vulnerability and seat position and whether it is IMP or MP.

 

Anyhow, without going into details I'd usually open 4♥ here and to open 1♥ as I have downgraded holdings in side suits, I'd normally need my 3♥ to be the Ace♥.

[ggwhiz]

It would be really nice if opening bid questions and especially those involving preempts would include vulnerability and seat position and whether it is IMP or MP.

 

I might well bid all of the above depending on seat and vul.

[steve2005]

It would be really nice if opening bid questions and especially those involving preempts would include vulnerability and seat position and whether it is IMP or MP.

says MP

the hand diagram white so should be NV but yes they should say and opp vul important to show also

 

 

[xbabarx]

4♥

[nige1]

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Scoring: Matchpoints

And an additional question (if you don't open 1♥):

-- What is the smallest strengthening of the above hand that makes it good for 1♥?[/hv]

At MPs, non-vul, most open 4♥.

Bump up the HCP, and you might open 1♥ e.g.

♠ A J ♥ Q J T 9 8 7 6 3 ♦ K ♣ K J.

With 8+ card suits, however, even with stronger hands, pre-emption often seems to be more effective, especially when the suit is ♥.

[geoffff]

4H non Vul, 3H if Vul. There are 32 points available for other 3 hands. Opps could well have game but would have to be brave to bid it. That is the point of preemptive bids

[wank]

an extra ace would make 1h less than vomit worthy.

[gwnn]

I'd like to complain about the lack of vulnerability/seat info but I'd bid 4H in all 16 scenarios.

[fromageGB]

an extra ace would make 1h less than vomit worthy.

Preferably two aces.

[kenberg]

I see that I am one of two who chose 3H, with 18 choosing 4H. So perhaps an explanation is in order. It's true that nothing has been said about whether the opponents are vul or not, and this might play a role. Let's suppose that they are not.

 

If partner has some values, they might well not be able to make a game. Then 3H off a trick or so might well be fine. Of course they might well be able to make 3S on the nose, but after a 3H opening it will not always be clear to them that they should stop ion exactly 3S. Otoh, is partner doesn't have much then I doubt 4H will stop them from reaching their game. It might, but it might not.

 

Anyway, I could be losing a lot of tricks in a heart contract, so I settle for 3H. Maybe the biggest problem with that occurs if theyare vul and can make 600 in 3NT. If they are non-vul and can make 400 in 3NT I am not so sure I want to be in 4HX. But against vul opponents maybe down 500 is fine.

 

Added: Chamge the QJ of hearts to the KQ of hearts and I would probably open 1H, or at least consider it.

[jogs]

Scoring: Matchpoints

 

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And an additional question (if you don't open 1♥):

-- What is the smallest strengthening of the above hand that makes it good for 1♥?

MP, none and dealer.

I hate this hand. Jx in two side suits. K in another.

I prefer this type of hand.

 

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Now open 3♥ and never bid again.

[msjennifer]

I voted in favour of "other".To open the hand 1 H I shall require one Ace to be added to hand.

 

I shall ask the question to be changed by replacing North by South.North hand is not given.

If this is a hand which North held then if I am in 1or 2 seat I shall Pass.In the 3 or 4 th seat I shall open 4H .

[Zelandakh]

I prefer this type of hand.

You shouldn't. The singleton king is an excellent surprise for declarer should (s)he decide to take the transfer to 4♠. There is every chance of a finesse coming into our hand meaning that the defensive value of the ♦K is significantly strengthened by a preemptive opening.

[neilkaz]

You shouldn't. The singleton king is an excellent surprise for declarer should (s)he decide to take the transfer to 4♠. There is every chance of a finesse coming into our hand meaning that the defensive value of the ♦K is significantly strengthened by a preemptive opening.

Yes, great comment and exactly this assuming declarer has to finesse.

[rmnka447]

4 ♥ --look's like a pretty standard NV preempt to me.

 

Make it ♠ Kx ♥ QJ1098xxx ♦ A ♣ xx and it's got too much defense to preempt. Slam doesn't take much from partner, either.

[kontoleon]

Ok i am a very low xp player. But If ou can take alone 6,5 tricks(i just the sigleton K and the 2 double j from 1/2 trick and i am generus) So if val are the some should beat 3H if the val is good 4H And if is bad maybe 2H(or 3H). Acordind the system 2,3,4 always. So i cannot vote yet from this information

[22tango2]

Using Suit quality index. this hand is worth a 4H opening. 8 hearts & 2 (3) honors, or 10 tricks.

[jogs]

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This situation is possible. A pre-empt will force opponents to

overbid to game and be pleasantly surprised when cards lie

favorably and game makes.

[bestfrench]

Before considering how to bid, you need learn how to ask a meaningful question

[sfi]

Before considering how to bid, you need learn how to ask a meaningful question

 

This is your first contribution to the forum? Not the most constructive start ever.

 

ObOnTopic: Anything but 4H is overthinking the hand.

[mrt2000]

This is a pre-emptive hand. As such, a good rule is to pre-empt as high as possible as soon as possible. Thus, 4♥ is the bid. There are numerous possible scenarios in play, anything from us making 7♥ to the opponents making 7NT. If it's their hand I've made it as hard as possible from them and if it's our hand P is well placed to move forward.

[mrt2000]

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