barmar Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 But where do you draw the line?You try to be reasonable. Most situations are easy to judge, they're either minor and can be ignored, or eggregious and should not be tolerated. If they're in the fuzzy middle, follow the official procedures as a default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 You try to be reasonable. Most situations are easy to judge, they're either minor and can be ignored, or eggregious and should not be tolerated. If they're in the fuzzy middle, follow the official procedures as a default.If it is understood in this 'loose, relaxed' game that our threshold for enforcing rules includes "egregious" and "not tolerated", we no longer have a loose, relaxed game. We have a built-in negative connotation to every TD call and/or ruling. Draw that line in different terms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 If it is understood in this 'loose, relaxed' game that our threshold for enforcing rules includes "egregious" and "not tolerated", we no longer have a loose, relaxed game. We have a built-in negative connotation to every TD call and/or ruling. Draw that line in different terms.I suppose that's a possible interpretation. But I think if people are being reasonable, they won't make that association. They understand that some situations are inherently complicated, and need the assistance of the director, even if they're not accusing anyone of deliberate misbehavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 I suppose that's a possible interpretation. But I think if people are being reasonable, they won't make that association. They understand that some situations are inherently complicated, and need the assistance of the director, even if they're not accusing anyone of deliberate misbehavior.If not accusing anyone of deliberate misbehavior, they shouldn't draw the line at deliberate misbehavior in describing when they call for rulings. Of course, they won't do that, but that is the way you worded the policy for these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 OK, when they make an opening lead out of turn, you tell them to just pick it up. Now lefty miraculously finds a lead in that suit, and it's the killing lead. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 OK, when they make an opening lead out of turn, you tell them to just pick it up. Now lefty miraculously finds a lead in that suit, and it's the killing lead. Now what?I asked a similar question at the last but one club I played at. The answer, "Well it depends who it is." Super! Of course this is the same club (Bamberger Reiter) where someone saying to the table "420 or 500" before making a (penalty) double was cleared by the (nationally known) TD as nothing to worry about, whereas a bid opposite the mere hint of a pause against the TD's wife would tend to result in a ruling. Yes it was a fine club. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Are we overstepping some forum bounds, here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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