Strong hand over partner's preempt

[nugatory]

Matchpoints, both vulnerable.

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1) Do you agree with North's first pass?

2) What do you do now?

[P_Marlowe]

#1 yes

#2 pass, you were content with 110, or -100,

what did change?

[Jinksy]

1) Yes

2) X. We might only beat this by a single trick, and I was expecting to make 2♥, so we need the extra 100.

[Cyberyeti]

1) Yes

2) X. We might only beat this by a single trick, and I was expecting to make 2♥, so we need the extra 100.

 

Picture partner with KQJxxx and out, this could easily be making an overtrick

[nige1]

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Matchpoints, both vulnerable.

1) Do you agree with North's first pass?

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Agree with 1st pass. Over (2♠), I rank

1. Double = PEN. IMO, 2♠ will go down more often than not. 2♥ was probably making, so, at MPs, double might not cost much even when 2♠X makes.
2. Pass = NAT. Partner would have to provide about 2+ tricks to defeat 2♠.

[alok c]

Picture partner with KQJxxx and out, this could easily be making an overtrick

When North already passed once , either pass it now or optimistically bid 3♥ anticipating partner's hand as cyberyeti cited.

[rmnka447]

How aggressive are partner's 1st seat weak 2s VUL?

 

If partner bids on any kind of junk, well, your at the mercy of the bridge gods.

 

But if partner is reasonably disciplined, I think Double stands out. And it is for penalty because partner has described his/her hand -- ♥ and out.

 

2 ♠x may make some times, but the lure of a +200 and a probable need to better +110 make it mandatory at matchpoints.

 

At IMPS, I'd have been very tempted to jump to 4 ♥ at my first opportunity to speak. You've got 3 1/2 QTs and the ♥ 10 isn't a bad card, so this may be the hand to go for a thin VUL game matchwinner. But at matchpoints, I think you need a tad more.

[nekthen]

East has chosen 2♠ instead of dbl missing the AK♠

 

I see something like

 

QJTxxx

xx

AQ

KQJ

 

a reasonable chance for 8 tricks and not much chance of defeating 2♥

 

It seems reasonable to give West a ♥ honour and nothing else.

 

So far the bidding has been entirely reasonable. It all depends on who has the A♥ and who has the ♠ singleton.

 

On this basis I see 2♠ as an almost certain make and 3♥ probably down so I pass

 

I think the doublers of 2♠ are under the impression the 2♠ is an unusual action. It may well be normal

[FelicityR]

My way of looking at it - rightly or wrongly - is that the 2♥ opener is promising few defensive tricks, and you have just three certain defensive tricks, possibly four. The last thing you want to do at MPs is double them into game for an absolute top. Just pass again. Bidding 3♥ is dubious as the ♥ distribution around the table could be 6, 5, 1, 1 with West holding a stack over declarer.

[PhilG007]

Matchpoints, both vulnerable.

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1) Do you agree with North's first pass?

2) What do you do now?

1) Pass Alarm bells always ring for me when partner bids my singleton

2) 2NT showing opening points and at least one spade stopper

[RD350LC]

#1 yes

#2 pass, you were content with 110, or -100,

what did change?

I agree completely.

[RedSpawn]

Matchpoints, both vulnerable.

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1) Do you agree with North's first pass?

2) What do you do now?

 

1) Assuming South plays disciplined weak twos from 1st seat, no I don't agree with North's initial pass. If my partner plays a disciplined weak two, I should respond 2NT. Why? Because the hand presented contains 14 HCP raw + 1 length point for clubs + 1 point for four undervalued aces and 10s. The 10♥ has value for hand evaluation purposes due to my partner's open. This hands rates as a 16 point hand.

 

2) Bid 2NT.

[msjennifer]

1)I will not pass on the first round but make an Ogust bid of 2NT. Isn't pass (just a wee bit)pessimistic ? If P bids 3H( bad suit good hand ) I will try 3NT and on any other bid play in the heart contract.

2)Having passed on the first round PASS again.(You had no intention to play at three level earlier even though you knew that the 2H bid has quite a range.).

Partner had opened on x,J98754,Ax,KQxx.. 3NT cold! And we can construct quite a few like it. Of course there is the question how to reach 3NT without Ogust.

[Cyberyeti]

1)I will not pass on the first round but make an Ogust bid of 2NT. Isn't pass (just a wee bit)pessimistic ? If P bids 3H( bad suit good hand ) I will try 3NT and on any other bid play in the heart contract.

2)Having passed on the first round PASS again.(You had no intention to play at three level earlier even though you knew that the 2H bid has quite a range.).

Partner had opened on x,J98754,Ax,KQxx.. 3NT cold! And we can construct quite a few like it. Of course there is the question how to reach 3NT without Ogust.

 

If partner opened a weak 2 on your sample hand I'd get a new partner, open 1 or pass on that.

 

Pass is not pessimistic, the only reason for 2N is to try to play 3♥ undoubled although it somewhat depends on what you open a weak 2 on. Partner might have a miracle hand once in a blue moon xx, QJ98xx, AJ10x, x for example, but more often you're doing worse if you bid. How would you fancy partner holding xx, KQxxxx, Jxx, Qx for example, could easily have 6 losers in hearts while 2♠ isn't making.

[ggwhiz]

If partner opened a weak 2 on your sample hand I'd get a new partner, open 1 or pass on that.

 

I double err triple that.

 

Any partnership that can have a weak 2 in 1st chair RED where doubling 2♠ is wrong (except for missing the once in a blue moon 4♥ game) sleeps with a night light and carries an umbrella on sunny days, just in case.

 

3nt is not on my radar either as something like an AKJxxx or AK98xx suit with no solid side entry is a perfectly good opener that will question your sanity when the hearts don't run and you go out the door.

[ahydra]

Partner had opened on x,J98754,Ax,KQxx.. 3NT cold!

 

I certainly hope he didn't open 2H with 2 defensive tricks and a jack-high suit first in vulnerable. I might kick him under the table - very hard - if so. :)

 

I would pass initially and pass over 2S as well. 2S rates to make more often than not and we don't have any evidence to suggest the field aren't doing the same thing.

 

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

Any partnership that can have a weak 2 in 1st chair RED where doubling 2♠ is wrong (except for missing the once in a blue moon 4♥ game) sleeps with a night light and carries an umbrella on sunny days, just in case.

 

 

Depends on your philosophy for 1st in hand weak 2s (we treat it as a preempting position, 3 opps, 2/3 ain't yours) and what you need for a 1 bid xx, AKxxxx, xx, xxx could easily have 6 losers and only 5 tricks off 2♠, and I think most people would open that.

[MrAce]

1) Pass Alarm bells always ring for me when partner bids my singleton

2) 2NT showing opening points and at least one spade stopper

 

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[apollo1201]

My preferred spots:

- play 2H

- defend 2S

- play 3H (even after a 1st all red opening from my usually not too undisciplined partner)

 

So I pass twice. I think my +110 became +100 or -100 became -110 but I think I can only feel scr*** and say well done to the opps. As it is sure I will not push them higher if I bid more hearts.

[aawk]

The first pass is ok.

 

The second round I would pass because setting 2s is not a certainty.

[miamijd]

East has chosen 2♠ instead of dbl missing the AK♠

 

I see something like

 

QJTxxx

xx

AQ

KQJ

 

a reasonable chance for 8 tricks and not much chance of defeating 2♥

 

It seems reasonable to give West a ♥ honour and nothing else.

 

So far the bidding has been entirely reasonable. It all depends on who has the A♥ and who has the ♠ singleton.

 

On this basis I see 2♠ as an almost certain make and 3♥ probably down so I pass

 

I think the doublers of 2♠ are under the impression the 2♠ is an unusual action. It may well be normal

 

First, why do you think East is so strong for his balancing bid? He'd make the same bid if the Ad were a small diamond.

 

Second, why do you think partner has a H honor and nothing else for a vul 2H opener?

 

Finally, even on the hand you posit, X may still be fine. Give partner the AJh and you take 2 spades, a heart, a heart ruff, a club, and a diamond. +200.

 

Cheers,

mike

[miamijd]

First round is a clear pass. You don't have a heart fit. Where are your tricks on offense.

 

If partner makes normal weak 2 bids, second round is a X at MPs (never at IMPs). 2H will make more often than not. If partner has the Ah, you are looking at 6 tricks. If he doesn't, then he ought to have something outside H for you. In any event, 2S rates to go down, so you have to X to get +200 instead of +100.

 

If partner makes undisciplined weak 2 bids in first seat, then you are stuck guessing.

 

And as noted above, in IMPs this is entirely different. Then you have two clear passes. +100 is just as good as +110; -670 is disaster.

 

Cheers,

Mike

[neilkaz]

First round is a clear pass. You don't have a heart fit. Where are your tricks on offense.

 

If partner makes normal weak 2 bids, second round is a X at MPs (never at IMPs). 2H will make more often than not. If partner has the Ah, you are looking at 6 tricks. If he doesn't, then he ought to have something outside H for you. In any event, 2S rates to go down, so you have to X to get +200 instead of +100.

 

If partner makes undisciplined weak 2 bids in first seat, then you are stuck guessing.

 

And as noted above, in IMPs this is entirely different. Then you have two clear passes. +100 is just as good as +110; -670 is disaster.

 

Cheers,

Mike

 

I agree with you 100%.

[Jinksy]

Picture partner with KQJxxx and out, this could easily be making an overtrick

 

I did picture him with it, and unlike others I think it's a perfectly good weak 2. But partner so rarely has a perfectly good weak 2, and this is MPs. I think it's more likely that 2♠ is going down than making, and if it does make we're probably not getting much better than 30% anyway, so has more to gain than lose.

[MrAce]

1-Pass

2-Pass