Cyberyeti Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=saq72h3dkj5ckqj94&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c(Precision%2016%2B%20any)3d]133|200[/hv] What approach do you take here ? If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ? **Edit - as people seem to be missing this, the 1♣ is precision, any 16+ that isn't 20-22 balanced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 6nt,assuming ♦AQ with East all balance pts barring may be 1Q/2Js are with North.There is no danger regarding ♥ stopper but ♦ may get ruffed if North has ♦xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 4♣ GF natural, then 5N (Pick a Slam) over 5♣ by opener. (Does opener rebid 5♦ over 5♣ here as Choice of Major?) If opener rebids 6♥, we can offer 6♠ en route to 6N. The absence of a 5♦ call by opener (whether control or majors) suggests 6N is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 4♣ GF natural, then 5N (Pick a Slam) over 5♣ by opener. (Does opener rebid 5♦ over 5♣ here as Choice of Major?) If opener rebids 6♥, we can offer 6♠ en route to 6N. The absence of a 5♦ call by opener (whether control or majors) suggests 6N is best. Nothing fancy like that, you last played with this partner 2 years ago, and only once before that in the last 15 years, so your agreements are pretty basic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=saq72h3dkj5ckqj94&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c(Precision%2016%2B%20any)3d]133|200|What approach do you take here ?If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?[/hv]I rank.3N = NAT Try to take the money,4N = RKC.X. = NEG.4C = NAT.6N = NAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 I rank.3N = NAT Try to take the money,4N = RKC.X. = NEG.4C = NAT.6N = NAT. I think 3N is ridiculous on a combined known minimum 32 count, I'd bid that an ace and a king lighter than this. Did you notice 1♣ was precision ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ? It depends partly on the opponents. At these colours I'd expect E to have a 5 card suit much of the time, so the threat of a ruff isn't necessarily high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 It depends partly on the opponents. At these colours I'd expect E to have a 5 card suit much of the time, so the threat of a ruff isn't necessarily high. Against these opps, it wouldn't occur to them to have 5, it might occur to them to have 6 but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 There used to be two younger men who played Precision at our club and I had a similar auction against them once with a genuine pre-emptive hand. They doubled my bid. When asked what this meant it was explained thus: Negative double forcing to game, any shape. "If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?" (Cyberyeti) What I do fear is that the suits are unlikely to break, but I'm bidding 5 ♠ after a 4 ♣ - 5♣ raise, as it is the most descriptive (and lowest) bid: first round control of ♠; no first round control of ♥ or ♦. See what partner says to that bid first. And yes, it might just wrongside the contract, but it could rightside the contract too. You just don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 4C looks completely obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dow1978 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=saq72h3dkj5ckqj94&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c(Precision%2016%2B%20any)3d]133|200[/hv] What approach do you take here ? If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ? 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 3NT. You really deserve KJxx, Axxx, A, Axxx opposite for a cold missed grand opposite a minimum precision club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 I think 3N is ridiculous on a combined known minimum 32 count, I'd bid that an ace and a king lighter than this.Did you notice 1♣ was precision ? Sorry :( No :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 From the hand illustrated,it would seem that partner holds all the top hearts for his opening bid so I would bid 6NT direct.....and pray :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 If I bid 6N directly, my prayer would be that we have not missed a laydown 7 (as partner will surely not be bidding it). But then, I don't expect to have the mechanism to bid 7 with confidence, in light of which 6N seems a reasonable punt. Perhaps one of the downsides of precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=saq72h3dkj5ckqj94&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c(Precision%2016%2B%20any)3d]133|200[/hv]What approach do you take here ?If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?Would partner bid 5♣ with three first round controls and the spade king? I think he would bid 4♦ followed by a club raise. No I am not worried about heartsI would bid 6NT. This might well be safer. Otherwise a diamond ruff might loom. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Would partner bid 5♣ with three first round controls and the spade king? I think he would bid 4♦ followed by a club raise. No I am not worried about heartsI would bid 6NT. This might well be safer. Otherwise a diamond ruff might loom. Rainer Herrmann I bid 6N. Partner had: [hv=pc=n&n=skj64hk852daqcat2]133|100[/hv] They didn't lead a heart and the A was right anyway, but 6♣ is much the better slam if you can't find 6♠ or 6N by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Yup, and change partner's HK to HA ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 I bid 6N. Partner had: [hv=pc=n&n=skj64hk852daqcat2]133|100[/hv] They didn't lead a heart and the A was right anyway, but 6♣ is much the better slam if you can't find 6♠ or 6N by partner. Well,now that I've seen both players hands,I'm now thinking what the hell did East have for his diamond pre-empt(?!) Obviously thereare players out there who love to "ride the tiger" (!) :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Well,now that I've seen both players hands,I'm now thinking what the hell did East have for his diamond pre-empt(?!) Obviously thereare players out there who love to "ride the tiger" (!) :rolleyes: 7 diamonds, the right vulnerability and a little barefaced cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 I bid 6N. Partner had: [hv=pc=n&n=skj64hk852daqcat2]133|100[/hv] They didn't lead a heart and the A was right anyway, but 6♣ is much the better slam if you can't find 6♠ or 6N by partner.Do you agree with partners 5♣ bid?I think it is dubious at best. Rainer Herrmann 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 Do you agree with partners 5♣ bid?I think it is dubious at best. Rainer Herrmann What is he supposed to do without specific agreements ? I took it as most likely a strong notrump with 3 or more clubs which is what he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curls77 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=saq72h3dkj5ckqj94&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c(Precision%2016%2B%20any)3d]133|200[/hv] What approach do you take here ? If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ? **Edit - as people seem to be missing this, the 1♣ is precision, any 16+ that isn't 20-22 balanced There is 1 year long ongoing course on Super Precision, held by OliverC in IAC. In OCP rarely, if ever, you guess or gamble:pass= 0-7 points (any distribution)X= 8+ positive but no 5+ suit to show, opener can TAB in own suit or4C= 8+ positive with 5+ clubs. Opener then has many options depending on their holding. OCP website: http://ocp.pigpen.org.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 What is he supposed to do without specific agreements ? I took it as most likely a strong notrump with 3 or more clubs which is what he had.I do not see a good reason why 4NT should be anything else but a desire to play there.What else is opener supposed to bid with good diamonds and a strong notrump hand?Assume your partner has a minimum hand for his 4♣ bid, do you think 11 tricks in clubs has better chances from his side on a diamond lead than 4NT from yours? Rainer Herrmann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 I do not see a good reason why 4NT should be anything else but a desire to play there.What else is opener supposed to bid with good diamonds and a strong notrump hand?Assume your partner has a minimum hand for his 4♣ bid, do you think 11 tricks in clubs has better chances from his side on a diamond lead than 4NT from yours? Rainer Herrmann That may be the best agreement, but I'm quite sure it would be bid and interpreted as Blackwood (not playing any other ace ask), partner probably doesn't bid 4♣ with 5 clubs and a minimum, he either has lots of clubs or extras. I can see 4♦ as a reasonable bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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