barmar Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I am not sure what you are talking about. Since when does L73 apply to the NOS? What is UI with respect to them?Never, I was just confused. But I don't see how you can use "not knowing what to do" as an excuse for making a totally crazy bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richlp Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Not sure why she found that hand too bad for a weak two. Missing top honors in hearts or an outside ace perhaps. But how she could think her hand was too bad for a weak two but good enough for a 3♥ overcall, will remain her secret forever to me, to my partner, and probably also to the TD. I wouldn't open 2H either in 1st or 2nd seat. Not because it is too bad a hand, but because it is unsuitable in the context of disciplined weak 2's. Bad suit, too much outside defense. But with a PH to my right and a pre-empt to my left I would almost certainly balance over a 3rd seat 3D call. Especially considering the kinds of hands that have become 3rd seat 3 minor pre-empts.It may not be right but that's what I would do. Whatever poll the director takes should be phrased as "You play disciplined (ie: traditional) weak 2's. Would you balance?" I suspect that pass is still a LA, but there is no mystery to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1cha Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 My regular partner, a fairly conservative bidder, probably wouldn't have opened it for those reasons. And I like to think he wouldn't balance with it, either.I think so. Opening it or not opening it in 2nd seat, either is okay. Not opening it and then balancing on the 3 level is strange. Not opening it and then balancing on the 3 level when partner has passed after thinking for a minute and then suggested she only passed because you didn't bid, is suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Never, I was just confused. But I don't see how you can use "not knowing what to do" as an excuse for making a totally crazy bid. Not totally crazy, no, but what I am saying is that you can't condemn people for taking what appears to be a "double shot" when they are in a position they shouldn't have been in. I think so. Opening it or not opening it in 2nd seat, either is okay. Not opening it and then balancing on the 3 level is strange. Not opening it and then balancing on the 3 level when partner has passed after thinking for a minute and then suggested she only passed because you didn't bid, is suicide. Opening is not OK if you play disciplined preempts, as noted above. Some people think that if you are dealt a 6-card suit, you have a God-given right to open at the two or three level. But many do not. I would pass and might well balance at matchpoints. Question to m1cha: I know there was a comment, which is egregious, but did you hold out the Stop card for the correct amount of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Oh yes, I absolutely can condemn people for taking doubleshots when they are in a position they shouldn't be in. This isn't football or rugby with advantage play, or American Football with "result or penalty", or T20 cricket (where the penalty for "no ball" is "bowl it again, and the other side can't be made out."). I agree with you, if a less-experienced player is in a new situation and makes a choice that we have to rule back on the "doubleshot" philosophy, I'm not going to tell them they're bad, and they should feel bad. Like any other judgment ruling, I will explain the situation, show how the Laws work, and why I have to rule the way I do. If I think it will help explain, I might use the "Probst Cheat" construction, or the "I know you weren't trying this, but someone who was trying to pull a fast one would..." So, I guess not "condemn". But I will rule against them, per the Laws. If you, or any of my partners, pulls this stunt, there might be some condemnation. But unlike the newer players you want to protect, I expect you do know the Laws, and what they mean - and in many cases, why they're written that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1cha Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Question to m1cha: I know there was a comment, which is egregious, but did you hold out the Stop card for the correct amount of time?I am usually quite precise about my stop card but I also adapt to my opponents. This particular event was relatively relaxed. It happened frequently that I put down my stop card and after 2 - 3 seconds LHO reached to the bidding box to put down a pass or another card, upon which I hastened to remove the stop card. Nobody was bothered about those situations. I certainly didn't count to 10. Usually I would keep the stop card down for 6 - 8 felt seconds because that was as long as most opps were willing to wait. In that specific situation, sorry, I don't remember. I didn't count to 60 either and it would have been normal in that event for opps to think for another 10 seconds after the stop card had been removed. But here it wasn't 10 seconds, it was a multiple and not a small multiple. Rather more than a minute than less, I would say. Even then I wouldn't have complained if RHO hand't been a passed hand. But as a passed hand, she needs a good reason - and then that remark ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Oh yes, I absolutely can condemn people for taking doubleshots when they are in a position they shouldn't be in. This isn't football or rugby with advantage play, or American Football with "result or penalty", or T20 cricket (where the penalty for "no ball" is "bowl it again, and the other side can't be made out."). Cricket has its own version of double-shot prevention on a No Ball (and I don't mean the literal "Hitting the Ball Twice" :) ) - you can still be Run Out. Apologies for straying off-topic, and for speaking complete gibberish to anyone that has no knowledge of cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 The only thing I know about crickets is that they're noisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Cricket has its own version of double-shot prevention on a No Ball (and I don't mean the literal "Hitting the Ball Twice" :) ) - you can still be Run Out.And the IPL this weekend gave us an example of exactly that! Along with two hat-tricks in two successive games in one day.Apologies for straying off-topic, and for speaking complete gibberish to anyone that has no knowledge of cricket.Umm, yeah. What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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