OleBerg Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (2♦) - 2♥ - (Pass) - 3♣(Pass) - 3♥ - (Pass) -4♣? And what about: (2♦) - 2♥ - (Pass) - 3♣(Pass) - 3♠ - (Pass) -4♣? Edit: 2♦ is a weak two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 What is 2♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 I'd say forcing, for the small target rule on first (you can pass 3♥), and because I think 3♠ should be GF on second, but I don't recall having this bidding before, I would try to avoid it since I am sure it will be undiscussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 First one is NF, advancer can bid 4D as a COG. In std 3♣ & 3♥ are both not GF, so even in 4♣ NF is a small target I dont see wich rule would make advancer repeating his suit to suddenly become GF. 2nd one is GF since 3S is a high reverse, its probably showing 46, many 45?? with some extras would start with a X of 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 If you have the rule that 4m is "always" forcing then it should apply here but without discussion I would take the first as nonforcing. The second should be forcing as opener has shown extras. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (2♦) - 2♥ - (Pass) - 3♣(Pass) - 3♥ - (Pass) -4♣? And what about: (2♦) - 2♥ - (Pass) - 3♣(Pass) - 3♠ - (Pass) -4♣? Edit: 2♦ is a weak two.Sorry， I'm not a expert.But I think two problems depend on your bidding system on agreement in fact. Now I'd better take two classic examples with similar auctions to show its principle clearly. First example [hv=d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p1hp2cp2hp3cp?]133|100[/hv] If you think this 3♣ is NF, first one is NF.If you think this 3♣ is forcing, first one is forcing. Second example [hv=d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p1hp2cp2sp3cp?]133|100[/hv] If you think this 3♣ is NF, second one is NF.If you think this 3♣ is forcing, second one is forcing. What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Clearly, in both cases, it's forcing, and overcaller will show Aces for a possible slam (which they won't have enough of, of course). More Advanced Players will show 1430 keycard for hearts (in the first)/spades (in the second), which will get them to the 5 level (down 1, more often than not). What? 4♣ is always Gerber, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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