gordontd Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I agree with Sven on this one, provided the designatiion was specifically "ace of hearts" or "heart ace" in compliance with Law 46A. If his designation was something like "top heart" then he's called, albeit unknowingly, for the ten of hearts — and that call will stand, establishing the revoke. But there is no ace of hearts in dummy, so the call is void — it didn't happen. Since it didn't happen, the revoke is not established.I posed the question on the EBL TDs forum where arguments in both directions were presented. However, the secretary of the WBFLC has just pointed out that in the new laws the word "void" has been removed and "invalid" is used instead. I imagine that will clarify things quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hm. I suppose it does, though I'm not sure I agree with the direction they're taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 I posed the question on the EBL TDs forum where arguments in both directions were presented. However, the secretary of the WBFLC has just pointed out that in the new laws the word "void" has been removed and "invalid" is used instead. I imagine that will clarify things quite a bit.In answer to my question he has now posted on the EBL forum:I am hopeful that the use of the word 'invalid' might encourage Directors to believe that an incomplete designation is sufficient to establish a revoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pran Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 In answer to my question he has now posted on the EBL forum:I am hopeful that the use of the word 'invalid' might encourage Directors to believe that an incomplete designation is sufficient to establish a revoke.Obviously it should:A void action is one that was (considered) never made while an invalid action was certainly made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axman Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Obviously it should:A void action is one that was (considered) never made while an invalid action was certainly made. void (noun) relates to emptiness (verb) relates to canceling or vacate (the use you allude to) As such, without adequate modification, your use does not include the effects of a time machine- and it would be dubious for contestants (as well as tournament officials) to so believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pran Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 void (noun) relates to emptiness (verb) relates to canceling or vacate (the use you allude to) As such, without adequate modification, your use does not include the effects of a time machine- and it would be dubious for contestants (as well as tournament officials) to so believe"Void" as used in 2007 Law 46 B 4 is an adjective! (Neither noun nor verb) According to my Webster it means that the described action has no effect or result - "it does not exist" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richlp Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 FW(Little)IW.............. I'm not happy with RHO on this one. As laudable as not wanting to give UI is ................ what kind of UI do you give when dummy comes down and you say "Isn't that the Ace of Diamonds?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 As laudable as not wanting to give UI is ................ what kind of UI do you give when dummy comes down and you say "Isn't that the Ace of Diamonds?"I guess his thinking is that his partner would realize that he noticed it because he could see the "duplicate" card in his hand. Yeah, sounds like a lame excuse to me, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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