what to bid ? (2)

[shanbari]

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1S ?

 

this is one of the hand i "hated", because i have no idea of what to do, and i choosed Pass.

 

well it doesn't work out so well.

 

 

SHAN

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[Guest Jlall]

I can see, 3C, 4C, and 5C as possible. Pass doesn't make much sense to me white/red with an 8 card suit. I'll go big with 5C at this vul, but 4C is very reasonable too.

[pclayton]

The heart suit is sort of an illusion. Unless you catch pard with 5, there are very few layouts where hearts is the right strain.

 

Even on a 4-4, dummy will be tapped with the spade leads, blowing the communication to the club suit.

 

So preempt in clubs to liking. 4 feels right to me.

[flytoox]

That it didnt work out well doesnt mean it is wrong. I still vote for pass.

[luis]

As Jlall said except pass I think any card in the bidding box may work.

If I have to choose then I think it depends on my pd. 5♣ is ok in "default" situations.

[HeartA]

I choose 4C over 3C or 5C (all of them are reasonable)

[EricK]

4♣ is my guess.

 

Eric

[inquiry]

Never put down an eight card suit as dummy, and never, ever have it unbid not vul versus vul.... and playing on defense....

 

Five Clubs, what are you waiting for?

[Fluffy]

Never put down an eight card suit as dummy

I guess you get trouble when both you and your partner have an 8 card suit ;) (just joking, don't go so hard on me :_( )

 

I don't see how pass can help our side, it is pretty clear we have a ♣ pre-emp, what did you want to acomplish by passing?

[EricK]

Never put down an eight card suit as dummy, and never, ever have it unbid not vul versus vul.... and playing on defense....

 

Five Clubs, what are you waiting for?

4♣ v 5♣ is a difficult decision.

 

Are we sure that we don't want LHO to stretch to 4♠? Partner may have a good penalty double and maybe we have an unexpected good lead (♥K).

 

Eric

[ochinko]

4♣ with the intention to go to 5 if LHO bids 4♠, but only against weak opponents. Against experts I'd bid 5♣ directly. If nothing else I couldn't hope for better vulns for the bid.

 

Petko

[P_Marlowe]

5C at this colors, especially if you intend

to bid it anyway, if they bid 4S.

 

At any other vulnerability 4C.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

I think I'd stick to 4C "only". Opps probably have spades, but if pard has 4 or 5 of them, they'll be in big trouble to make 4S, especially given I have a good lead. A direct 5C, given the lack of honors, is rather likely to attract an easy double for a couple down when 4S wasn't even making.

[joker_gib]

5♣ : 8 cards suit and extra shape and as Phil said ♥ are an illusion !

 

Make them guess as soon as possible B)

 

Alain

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EW 4S has a little challenge due to diamond suit splits.

 

N-S 5C sacrifice would get average score.

 

however N-S 5H is cold, especially receiving club lead. only 1 of 8 table reached 5h.

 

SHAN

[pclayton]

This is the odd layout where hearts is a betterspot than clubs. You need either hearts or clubs to cooperate. The play requires a little skill with a spade lead, but the posters here can handle it.

 

Reverse the North and West hands and you see the peril of bidding the hand slow (passing???). The auction starts 1S - pass - 2D - pass (don't tell me you'd overcall 2H on This)-4C splinter - pass - 4S - all pass. So the passers get to defend 4S when they are gin for 6C.

[flytoox]

This is the odd layout where hearts is a betterspot than clubs. You need either hearts or clubs to cooperate. The play requires a little skill with a spade lead, but the posters here can handle it.

 

Reverse the North and West hands and you see the peril of bidding the hand slow (passing???). The auction starts 1S - pass - 2D - pass (don't tell me you'd overcall 2H on This)-4C splinter - pass - 4S - all pass. So the passers get to defend 4S when they are gin for 6C.

Honestly I would never worry about missing such slam.

[pclayton]

Honestly I would never worry about missing such slam.

But you should worry about the double game swing you gave up defending 4♠ when your partners doubled 5♣ at their table making with an overtrick.

 

I'm having a fun time with the play in 4♠. Heart, heart and stiff diamond continuation. We are cold if we guess to hook, but it looks natural to rise with the A and play a spade.

 

So, spade to Ace getting the bad news. It looks like declarer needs to play a high diamond out of his hand which needs to be ducked. Club to board, spade hook (splitting) and put North in with a diamond. Best play is a heart, which you ruff low in your hand and overruff on the board (!). ♣K, pitching a diamond and two good diamonds, but you haven't shortened yourself enough, so you are -1.

 

With the exception of the diamond hook, can anyone do better?

[Free]

This is probably a nice hand for a little system I started to play with my f2f partner. We'd start by bidding 2♣, showing 8-15HCP and 4+♣ and 4+♥. After opps bidding, we can show our length in ♣ by bidding ♣ again.

 

In standard however, 5♣ seems the right bid.

[the hog]

5C for me

[han]

Even I will take at least 3 tricks with clubs as trump (unless I revoke).

 

I'd bid a straightforward 5C.

[han]

I don't think that this is a good hand for your little system Frederick. You are white vs red, the opponents opened, you have 7 highs and 8-4 distribution. Don't wait any longer, time to blast!

 

(replace "your little system Frederick" with "pass", "3C" or even "4C" if you'd like to know my opinion with respect to those bids)

[bridge2k]

5C is straighforward. Esp in Team IMP.

[beatrix45]

The heart suit is sort of an illusion. Unless you catch pard with 5, there are very few layouts where hearts is the right strain.

B)

This is the real lesson from this hand. Ignore the heart suit, and treat this like you would any other eight (or nine bagger given the trick potential of your heart suit) with a broken suit.

 

Are you telling me you don't know how to bid such hands?? Join the club. Try bidding an unusual number like 4 ♣ that promises a long suit and maybe partner will be able to help if she happens to own a club doubleton with two honours like KJ or AK.