cherdano Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 In what has been described as a strong event in another post (Hi Paul! Sorry we didn't come across each other over the weekend.), all three declarers went down in the following contract. I am sure noone on BBF will! [hv=pc=n&s=sj52ha8753d54ca62&n=sq7hkdakq972cqj98&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d1h1n3nppp]266|200[/hv] Lead ♥9. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) ♣Q, if it holds or East covers there is no problem. Assuming W wins and continues ♥, we cash ♦AKQ. If ♦ don't break we hopefully can guess the clubs. Edit: lol at me, guessing the club for three tricks (if both the first club finesse fails and diamonds are 4-1) only gives us 3+2+3 tricks so if the first club finesse fails and diamonds don't break and E has two entries to his hearts, we are down. Edited March 8, 2017 by helene_t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaitlyn S Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 If ♦ don't break we hopefully can guess the clubs.Why guess anything? Just duck a diamond. Barring 5-0, this gives you 2H, 5D, 1C. Say they play the second heart. Now play a diamond to dummy and run the CQ. If it wins, take your 9. If it loses or gets covered, you have your entries. I'll pay off to an unlikely construction that includes a four-card overcall and no raise by advancer. EDIT: I realize today that this is complete garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Why guess anything? Just duck a diamond. Barring 5-0, this gives you 2H, 5D, 1C. Say they play the second heart. Now play a diamond to dummy and run the CQ. If it wins, take your 9. If it loses or gets covered, you have your entries. I'll pay off to an unlikely construction that includes a four-card overcall and no raise by advancer. That is my line as well, but you're down 2 if the club finesse loses. 1 club, 1 diamond, 2 hearts and 2 spades. I was merely thinking the club hook is more likely than the diamond break, which hardly seems worth the post. Haven't seen what I am missing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 deleted garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Assuming ♦ 4c(probability of 4c ♦ with West is more as East already shown 5c ♥) & ♣K with West (otherwise everybody will make it), ♦A, ♣Q which loses to ♣ K to West.Capture East's ♥J/10 & lead back ♥8. East can not return a ♥ ,♦, or a ♣.He is to lead back a ♠.They will score 2♠,♥ J/10 & ♣K. Hasn't East got the Q♥ to cash as well? Aren't we losing two hearts, two spades and the king of clubs on this line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 You take the club finesse, if it wins, duck a diamond, if it loses, hope the diamonds break 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 You take the club finesse, if it wins, duck a diamond, if it loses, hope the diamonds breakOtherwise you still have the (small) chance that E has only one entry to the hearts. You lose two spades, a diamond and a club. If W switches to spades then they establish a spade trick for you, you have two hearts and three diamonds so you will have to hope for three club tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 You take the club finesse, if it wins, duck a diamond, if it loses, hope the diamonds breakI am sure you have the right thing in mind - but what do you do if the ♣Q is covered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hasn't East got the Q♥ to cash as well? Aren't we losing two hearts, two spades and the king of clubs on this line?Yes,somehow i thought ♥q was out. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I am sure you have the right thing in mind - but what do you do if the ♣Q is covered? My intention was to win and play a diamond, I can't cope if W has 5♦ and splits, so I can afford to play diamonds from the top as I have a dummy entry with Q♣. I don't need to worry about the defence not playing hearts leaving me a trick short as if they don't force out A♥ or give me a spade I can afford to lose to 10♣ to establish the 8 with only 2♠, 1♦, 1♣ for the defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I am sure you have the right thing in mind - but what do you do if the ♣Q is covered? My intention was to win and play a diamond, I can't cope if W has 5♦ and splits, so I can afford to play diamonds from the top as I have a dummy entry with Q♣. I don't need to worry about the defence not playing hearts leaving me a trick short as if they don't force out A♥ or give me a spade I can afford to lose to 10♣ to establish the 8 with only 2♠, 1♦, 1♣ for the defence.If W wins the 4th diamond and returns a club, and you lose to ♣T also, you have already lost two clubs and diamond and you are going to lose two spades also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 If W wins the 4th diamond and returns a club, and you lose to ♣T also, you have already lost two clubs and diamond and you are going to lose two spades also. No I haven't only one club, the first one went QKA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 No I haven't only one club, the first one went QKAlol yes, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nige1 Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 [hv=pc=n&s=sj52ha8753d54ca62&n=sq7hkdakq972cqj98&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d1h1n3nppp]266|200|In what has been described as a strong event in another post (Hi Paul! Sorry we didn't come across each other over the weekend.), all three declarers went down in the following contract. I am sure noone on BBF will!Lead ♥9.[/hv] I like CyperYeti's line...Win ♥K. Run ♣Q.If ♣Q loses, then you usually rely on a 3-2 ♦ break.If ♣Q wins, then duck a ♦, to cater for a 4-1 ♦ break.If RHO covers ♣Q, then win ♣A. Lead a ♦.If LHO plays low, than finesse ♦9.If LHO plays an honour, then duck. If LHO has 5 ♦s and RHO has the ♠ tops, then you should have the opportunity to finesse ♦9 later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I like CyperYeti's line...Win ♥K. Run ♣Q.If ♣Q loses, then you usually rely on a 3-2 ♦ break.If ♣Q wins, then duck a ♦, to cater for a 4-1 ♦ break.If RHO covers ♣Q, then win ♣A. Lead a ♦.If LHO plays low, than finesse ♦9.If LHO plays an honour, then duck. If LHO has 5 ♦s and RHO has the ♠ tops, then you should have the opportunity to finesse ♦9 later. If LHO has 5♦ you have a horrendous guess if you duck, he plays a spade, are you playing the Q risking a disaster if the honours are split ? If you don't play the Q, RHO ducks a spade to the Q on winning the first one establishing the suit while the diamonds still don't run. This is why I gave up on the 5-0 break and taking the overtrick(s) if the diamonds were 3-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 If LHO has 5♦ you have a horrendous guess if you duck, he plays a spade, are you playing the Q risking a disaster if the honours are split ?If you don't play the Q, RHO ducks a spade to the Q on winning the first one establishing the suit while the diamonds still don't run.This is why I gave up on the 5-0 break and taking the overtrick(s) if the diamonds were 3-2. Fair enough.If RHO has both ♠ tops, LHO splits from 5 ♦s, and you cover in dummy, then you can play on ♣s, to make if LHO was dealt 5 ♣s, 4 ♣s, 3 ♣s, or doubleton ♣Tx.e.g. when LHO was dealt ♠ x x x ♥ 9 ♦J T x x x- ♣ T x x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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