PhilG007 Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 What action (if any) would you take if dealt this hand?[hv=pc=n&s=sakh8765432dakcak]133|100[/hv] You have 21 hcp but the heart suit is abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 A few considerations: - with normal breaks, I can hope to make 10 tricks alone so I should be worth some kind of GF opening - NT contratcs would not play better as even if I can establish my suit, a AK stopper might not stop the run of opponents suit and communication to dummy (if he raises some kind of super 2NT opening to 3 with 2 queens and Jx hearts) could be a nightmare - even if I have a bad suit, it is still a 7-carder and partner if he has some points and wants to explore slam should consider external As and Ks (good thing, he has none!) and H honors in his decision so I believe we shouldn't get overboard So I dare a 2C opening followed by 2H. With 6322 I would go for some 2NT (not playing puppet!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 I do not see the issue. partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game. Unless we open 2♣ how do we want to convince our partner that we will only need goods hearts for the sky to be the limit? What terrible can happen if you open 2♣? Outside of hearts partner can have only a couple quacks. Of course partner may be short in hearts and have a good long suit somewhere else. But even this might be easier to find out by opening 2♣. Rainer Herrmann 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I do not see the issue. partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game. Rainer Herrmann Nor very likely. The singleton would have to be precisely ♥9! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Nor very likely. The singleton would have to be precisely ♥9!He could have a heart void and you have a 36% chance of 4H making (3-3 break).If he has singleton Ace you have a 68% chance of an overtrick (3-2 break)Any other heart singleton appears to be about equal - 68% chance of 10 tricks on a 3-2 break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 It's a 3 loser hand even if the suit is only 8 high, so 2 ♣ seems normal. If you have a reasonably disciplined approach to 2 ♣ openers and responses, you should be able to work out game vs. slam pretty quickly. And, as someone pointed out, you're odds on to make opposite a stiff ♥ in a Yarborough and even make some percent of the time opposite a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Nor very likely. The singleton would have to be precisely ♥9! He could have a heart void and you have a 36% chance of 4H making (3-3 break).If he has singleton Ace you have a 68% chance of an overtrick (3-2 break)Any other heart singleton appears to be about equal - 68% chance of 10 tricks on a 3-2 break. Jallerton knows the odds of this game very well.Do you know what "yarborough" is? If so you should have caught the humor about ♥9. Jallerton did not comment about the odds of making game but about the odds of pd holding a "yarborough" with a stiff ♥ when we have all smallest ♥ spots available up to the 8. He can correct me if I am wrong because English is native language of both of you and not mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 ok yes reread it missed what he meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Another awesome, thought inspiring thread by PhilG007! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
661_Pete Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 As it happened, I got a similar hand just a moment ago - not quite so strong in hcp mind you![hv=pc=n&n=s2hakjdak9ct87543]133|100[/hv]I opened 1♣ (what else can I do?) and was overcalled 1♠ which partner doubled. I wasn't sure if we have any agreement about negative X's so what do I do now? I ventured 2♣ which was passed. Partner was void in clubs! Nevertheless by some fluke I made my contract. With six to no honours in the trump suit! I realised afterwards that my p's X was for penalties and I should have left it. Oh well, that's for another day... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I realised afterwards that my p's X was for penalties and I should have left it. Oh well, that's for another day...No it wasn't. He might have meant it for penalties, but that doesn't make it so. You should not have left it and he should not have doubled. He should have passed, you should have doubled, and if a 1 level penalty was really right, he could then pass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Of course I open 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Please pass as dealer, PhilG007. Pretty please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Please pass as dealer, PhilG007. Pretty please.This hand was not dealer,it was third in hand. Does that make a difference?Oh and it was Game All..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 This hand was not dealer,it was third in hand. Does that make a difference?Oh and it was Game All..... Well, do you play undisciplined preempts in third seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaitlyn S Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Well, do you play undisciplined preempts in third seat?That would be pushing the "undisciplined" envelope so far as to even make Marty Bergen cringe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I must be an outsider as I've always felt that a slight underbid is not a crime. I open 1H and rebid 4H if the chance occurs. If I get to play 1H, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 That would be pushing the "undisciplined" envelope so far as to even make Marty Bergen cringe! Maybe not PhilG though. You will remember the 19-count with two good 5-card suits where he advocated passing when LHO opened one of the other suits? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 This hand was not dealer,it was third in hand. Does that make a difference?Oh and it was Game All..... Really? I would had bet 100 to 1 that the hand wasn't randomly dealt. If it was a real hand I would still bet the hands were predealt. This is why I would be cautious, if someone has predealt this would you be surprised that 4♥ go 3 down when 7♣ makes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Well, do you play undisciplined preempts in third seat?Yes...under an assumed name (!) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Maybe not PhilG though. You will remember the 19-count with two good 5-card suits where he advocated passing when LHO opened one of the other suits?I don't remember that hand (!) :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'm about as sound as they come when it comes to 2C openers and I still open 2C in the OP hand. I don't remember that hand (!) :( Here, let me remind you. Link 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masse24 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'm about as sound as they come when it comes to 2C openers and I still open 2C in the OP hand. Here, let me remind you. Link That post included the original "DOUBLE" in a voice like thunder" comment, which has since become famous. Good memories! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 That post included the original "DOUBLE" in a voice like thunder" comment, which has since become famous. Good memories! ;) Well, it was a famous phrase before that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSpawn Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 I do not see the issue. partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game. Unless we open 2♣ how do we want to convince our partner that we will only need goods hearts for the sky to be the limit? What terrible can happen if you open 2♣? Outside of hearts partner can have only a couple quacks. Of course partner may be short in hearts and have a good long suit somewhere else. But even this might be easier to find out by opening 2♣. Rainer Herrmann Very late to this one. I co-sign rh's comment. As advancing bridge players we must remember that the artificial 2♣ hands wear many different uniforms and come in various shapes and sizes. From an LTC perspective, this hand has 3 losing tricks coming from hearts. Since you have a hand with less than 4 losers, it is incumbent on you to sound the trumpets and roll out the red carpet and open your royal 2♣ hand. You must put your partner on official notice that you have a potential barn burner. Bid your strength and then your length and let nature take its course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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