Goddam preempts

[Jinksy]

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Now what?

 

Answer separately for IMPs and MPs if it makes a difference.

[Kaitlyn S]

I looked at your footer and realized that in this case 1D was a transfer to 4S :P

 

I have a five loser hand opposite an opener so LTC implies slam which will help me justify my 5H bid when it doesn't make :D In any event it should be a good save.

 

I choose 5H rather than 5D because I want partner to use heart length in his decision on whether to compete/save over 5S or 6S.

[Phil]

Playing your methods, 4N looks kind of obvious to me.

[nige1]

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Now what?

 

Answer separately for IMPs and MPs if it makes a difference.[/hv]

 

Agree with Phii:

1. 4N = ART. Describes hand well.
2. 5♦ = NAT. Partner guarantees 4 ♦s and will usually have more.
3. 5♥ = NAT. At MPs, prefer this to 5♦

[Jinksy]

Playing your methods, 4N looks kind of obvious to me.

 

4N as in two places? What do you do over partner's various responses?

[MrAce]

4N as in two places? What do you do over partner's various responses?

 

Correct to 5♦ if he bids 5♣ and pass if he bids 5♦

[MinorKid]

The overcall is too heavy, can't explore slam for me.

[Jinksy]

Correct to 5♦ if he bids 5♣ and pass if he bids 5♦

 

Why not just bid 5♦ directly? Surely we're happy with our 9-card fit - and given that the lead might make a difference of several tricks, I would want to tell the opps as little as possible about the hand.

[ggwhiz]

6♦ I'm cornered so come out swinging.

[MrAce]

Why not just bid 5♦ directly? Surely we're happy with our 9-card fit - and given that the lead might make a difference of several tricks, I would want to tell the opps as little as possible about the hand.

 

Because it helps pd to know whether you raised diamonds with something like

 

x

xxxx

QJxxxx

xx

 

or with a hand like in OP. He may need this information especially if they bid 5♠ over your 5♦.

 

I am actually very surprised that you asked this question. When someone bids 4♠ red vs white + you are short in their suit + you have 4 card fit to opener + 6 card solid side suit, bidding just 5♦ would be one of the most cowardly actions possible next to pass in my eye.

[wank]

I'd double. P is unbal. That normally means a singleton. If it's in hearts we should defend. If it's in spades he'll bid.

[Jinksy]

Because it helps pd to know whether you raised diamonds with something like

 

x

xxxx

QJxxxx

xx

 

or with a hand like in OP. He may need this information especially if they bid 5♠ over your 5♦.

 

I am actually very surprised that you asked this question. When someone bids 4♠ red vs white + you are short in their suit + you have 4 card fit to opener + 6 card solid side suit, bidding just 5♦ would be one of the most cowardly actions possible next to pass in my eye.

 

Well yeah, my eventual 'solution' at the table was to blast 6♦, hoping we'd get it on the lead if it wasn't there naturally. It 'worked', in that 6♦ was cold... but P raised me to 7 and watched them cash their ace before claiming 14 tricks :unsure:

[MrAce]

I'd double. P is unbal. That normally means a singleton. If it's in hearts we should defend. If it's in spades he'll bid.

 

Nay, that is a pretty bad plan unless you are playing against complete morons and their moronic preempts at these colors.

 

 

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or even worse

 

 

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When your pd decides to pass or bid depending on his ♥ and ♠ shortness as you expect him to, which is not even remotely the reality imo, you are not doing good as I showed but you have other problems too with DBL. Such as pd bidding on with both minors and you having to correct to 5 ♦ which he will never have a clue whether you preferred diamonds or you are holding the gem you have.

 

Worst of all, you are talking as if it is clear for pd to bid on over 4♠ with ♠ shortness and not necessarily ♥ length

 

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[Jinksy]

I am actually very surprised that you asked this question. When someone bids 4♠ red vs white + you are short in their suit + you have 4 card fit to opener + 6 card solid side suit, bidding just 5♦ would be one of the most cowardly actions possible next to pass in my eye.

 

So I'm not really sure what 4N is doing here - if you're going to pass P's 5♦ (which is surely a pretty encouraging response - suggesting he either has extra diamonds or something in hearts?), what have you gained? And if over his 5♣ you bid 5♦, you're showing the red suits, but are you really showing slam interest? Wouldn't you have to bid that on something like xx KQJxx Qxx xx (or if not that, move one of the black pips in with hearts), to try and ensure you reach your 9-card fit?

[MrAce]

So I'm not really sure what 4N is doing here - if you're going to pass P's 5♦ (which is surely a pretty encouraging response - suggesting he either has extra diamonds or something in hearts?), what have you gained? And if over his 5♣ you bid 5♦, you're showing the red suits, but are you really showing slam interest? Wouldn't you have to bid that on something like xx KQJxx Qxx xx (or if not that, move one of the black pips in with hearts), to try and ensure you reach your 9-card fit?

 

What you seem to not understand is that you think you are the one who should decide what to play and what not.

After high preempts like this there is no such luxury but you can

 

A-Tell your pd that you are bidding 5♦ with a good hand and encouraging him (as oppose to he encouraging you or discouraging you) for slam IF HE HAS A GOOD HAND too.

B- Tell your pd that you are bidding 5 ♦ with no intention whatsoever for slam. (through 4 NT or vice versa)

Your pd then have a clue, not a huge one but still, whether your 5♦ has some life or made just for save or to play there. What you gain is simple, if you do not differentiate the way you reach to 5♦, pd will NEVER have a clue, regardless of this clue helping him or not, that whether you are landing on 5 ♦ with total junk or constructive hand.

Which part of this simple concept became so hard to understand for you misses me by a 100 light year distance!

 

And in which part of my comments have I said anything about 4 NT showing red suits? You are a smart man, I think all of this confusion you are having is because you assumed that I advocated 4 NT to be showing red suits. Which I did not. You could have done the same thing with clubs on the side or simply no side, it pretty much says you have ♦ fit and/or you have a suit to bid after 4 NT which indicates stronger/weaker(your choice) of a direct bid over 4 ♠.

[MinorKid]

4NT RKC Blackwood (D) :P (Junior Level)