silly - normal - excellent

[quiddity]

I agree more with Rainer than with the people who think it's crazy. It feels close. So, not silly or excellent and probably not normal.

[msjennifer]

Will it not be more sensible to make a T O D instead of 2S overcall? After all there is fit for both majors.and only a 7 loser hand!!!!!

[Winstonm]

I think the correct issue is not being discussed and that is what does the partnership agree upon as justified action? By itself this is a really difficult problem if we are looking for the best result on this board - but taking the long view, what is the best action for the session, the next session, and the one after that?

 

Any time we go rogue or try a hero play, we chip away at partnership trust. It doesn't take long for this to destroy a partnership.

 

I don't know the best answer to this hand other than to say whatever style the partnership has agree upon is the right one.

[mycroft]

I think if you compete with this hand, you have to double with the "sound, but not huge" hands that get to be the top end of my overcalls. Light, shapely overcalls will work for you, but you pay off on the other end.

 

Preempts do their job; it's just a matter of which hands you want the preempt to pooch you out of.

[helene_t]

Silly. LHO might bid 3NT and partner could double thinking that LHO is psyching.

at these colours he probably wouldn't psyche unless he thinks the field is in slam. Otherwise five down undoubled would be terrible at mps.

[SteveMoe]

Easy pass. More bidding expected. Better placed to act next round.

[WGF_Flame]

With extra A i would still pass but would understand people who bids.

[rhm]

With extra A i would still pass but would understand people who bids.

And I guess you would need all aces before you would consider a bid red versus white, but would reject it.

You would of course understand why some others less gifted people might bid. :P

 

Some players never learn how much colors should influence their decision what to do.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[WGF_Flame]

And I guess you would need all aces before you would consider a bid red versus white, but would reject it.

You would of course understand why some others less gifted people might bid. :P

 

Some players never learn how much colors should influence their decision what to do.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

Colors are important, but this doesnt mean you should get crazy because of the colors. bidding here is either lack of bridge understanding or an ego bid, or both.

[WesleyC]

Colors are important, but this doesnt mean you should get crazy because of the colors. bidding here is either lack of bridge understanding or an ego bid, or both.

 

Or perhaps it shows a partnership understanding that (especially at favourable VUL) being very active with a shapely Major oriented hands and a shortage in the opponents suit is winning bridge!

 

For a change I agree with rhm!

[WGF_Flame]

Or perhaps it shows a partnership understanding that (especially at favourable VUL) being very active with a shapely Major oriented hands and a shortage in the opponents suit is winning bridge!

 

For a change I agree with rhm!

 

I think this is a good idea, but not at this situation where the opponents opened weak.

Also this hand has 5-4 in majors, its not a hand i want to decide that we play the spade suit, i would be more then happy to hear partner bid hearts.

[nullve]

Some players never learn how much colors should influence their decision what to do.

What's the worst hand with 6412 shape you'd overcall 2♠ on?

[rhm]

What's the worst hand with 6412 shape you'd overcall 2♠ on?

For high level trump contracts HCP are not a good yardstick, but controls matter.

I have shown how little I need for game or slam.

Some have interpreted my call as preemptive, which it is not.

It is constructive and it is a matter of hand evaluation.

Though I can not go any lower (I would not wait for the major suit 9s), I say again bidding has much more to gain.

 

I can provide some statistical evidence:

 

A priory your game chances with 64 in the majors and 21 in the minors is already 43%

Since you hold about as much in HCP than RHO, who opened a vulnerable weak two, there is no evidence that these a priory odds have changed much.

If at all it has improved, because most of the values in our shortage seem to be held by opponents.

 

A priory our chances for an 8 card fit with this distribution is a whopping 92% and the chance for a 9 card fit is still higher than 50%, not likely to be in clubs.

The fact that RHO has opened a weak two in our shortage has improved those odds.

 

There is no guarantee that I will buy lucky, but this game rarely comes with guarantees.

 

What am I worried about white on red?

 

Let's assume you pass and next hand bids 3NT would you feel comfortable?

I would not, because they might make 3NT and we might make 4♠ or 4♠ could be cheap.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Phil]

 

Let's assume you pass and next hand bids 3NT would you feel comfortable?

 

If 3N is,bid by my LHO I have mixed feelings. If its based on a diamond fit and a 12 count. If its a 19 count and thinks 3N can be made on power without a diamond fit then Im glad im a chicken.

 

Equally im not feeling great about a 3N call by the my partner.

[quiddity]

Though I can not go any lower (I would not wait for the major suit 9s), I say again bidding has much more to gain.

 

This seems inconsistent to me. If bidding has much more to gain then you should be willing to go lower. The fact that you can't go lower seems to indicate that the decision is close.

[rhm]

This seems inconsistent to me. If bidding has much more to gain then you should be willing to go lower. The fact that you can't go lower seems to indicate that the decision is close.

You are wrong for simple reasons.

When you have a hand with few honors, reducing them tends to have a big impact on the statistical outcome. It increases the risks (partner playing you for a stronger hand) and your chances succeeding in your contract will reduce substantially.

The vote already indicates that for most people the decision is clear the other way.

I am a strong believer that action has mote to gain than to loose, but it does not mean I can go much lower.

 

I explained that the hand has 3 controls and I would be unlikely to do it with only 2, because for high level contracts you require controls.

 

Would I bid on say ♠AT9xxx ♥QJTx ♦x ♣xx or on ♠AQxxxx, ♥QTxx, ♦x ♣xx or ♠KQxxxx ♥KJxx ♦x ♣xx?

Maybe, but then some people would argue this to be stronger hands (I disagree).

 

Rainer Herrmann

[the hog]

I largely agree with Rainer. This is a little weak for me and I would prefer an extra K. I would certainly not object to partner's 2S bid and would not hand a partner for making it. X is awful. Why pay so much attention to those 4 ratty hearts?