Cyberyeti Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cppdp2cp3h]133|100[/hv] What is the range for 2♣ opposite the passout seat X and how much does 3♥ show and is it forcing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Of course it is forcing, In fact 3♥ bidder has 5+ hearts imo, Probably a hand that was planning to bid hearts after double. With only 4 cards ♥ and a good hand he could also cue. About 2 ♣, whatever your upper range is for 2♦ or ♥ or ♠ bids 2 ♣ starts from there and up. Of course the meaning of your 3x responses also matter here since it may not be optimal to use them as 6 carder very weak hands in this position as it is commonly used in other positions. So usually it is 12+ but I think you can do it with 4-4 majors and 10+ if you like your spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 ...Adding that 2♣ could be on as few as 8 working HCP with 2 4-card majors if you play it is forcing to a fit at the 3 level. If advancer has an opening hand, then they are short in ♦ and hold ♣, otherwise they would have doubled directly. 3♥ invites game with a minimum opener. I am not aware of anyone playing 2♣ as natural in this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 With the last partner that I had an explicit agreement about this, it showed a GOSH. We have had some good threads over the years about auctions after a double and cue response and one thing that has become clear is that the follow-ups depend heavily on the meaning of the cue. Specifically, if 2♥ is not forcing, and some do play it that way, then 3♥ has to work harder than if 2♣ is forcing to suit agreement (or game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 With the last partner that I had an explicit agreement about this, it showed a GOSH. We have had some good threads over the years about auctions after a double and cue response and one thing that has become clear is that the follow-ups depend heavily on the meaning of the cue. Specifically, if 2♥ is not forcing, and some do play it that way, then 3♥ has to work harder than if 2♣ is forcing to suit agreement (or game). Exactly, 2♥ is NF for us. Also nobody has taken on the fact that the passout seat X can be very substandard if short in opener's suit, hence 2♣ could have VERY different requirements to opposite a second seat X but not sure whether it should. Don't 2/3/4♥ show GOSHs of various strengths ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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