luis Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Recently I've seen some pairs playing that 1c-1nt promised 4/5 clubs, so 1c-1d can be bid with 4 diamonds.What do you think of this treatment? Advantages? Disadvantages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 I assume that what you mean is that 1C-1NT shows clubs and may or maynot be balanced. I have also seen 1C-1N show balanced hand with only clubs (no other four card suit). Both treatments have some merit, but the loss of the descriptive 1NT response might be a fairly big disadvantage. Some players temporize with 1D when holding 4/5 clubs and a balanced hand and then rebid NT, so that 1C-1D1x-1NT shows either more or less hcp than the immediate 1NT response. The advantage of 1C-1NT is when it is limited and partner is holding 3 clubs and balanced hand, he can pass, whereas if you raise clubs (1C-2C or 1C-3C) it is obviously impossible to play in 1NT. I think 1C-1NT natural has preemptive value and well limiting your hand. So I don't think I like the concept that 1C-1NT shows unbalanced and clubs. However, I have learned to try something before being too critical. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 No, I was mentioning 1c-1nt as a balanced hand with 4/5 clubs (no 4 card major) examples:3-3-3-4 or 3-2-4-4 or 3-3-2-5 or 2-3-4-4Then 1c-1d;1x-1n denies 4 clubs and shows 4/5 diamonds.Ranges as in natural bidding 6-10 HCP or 7-10 or what you agree with your pd for 1m-1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 I don't play 1c-1NT promises 4 or more clubs; however, it tends to work out that way. I like to play Inverted Minors and bidding 1NT over a minor denies a 4-card major. If you have a maximum of 6 cards in the majors, you obviously have 7 or more cards in the minors. One often has a hand with support for clubs (similarly with diamonds) that is not worth a limit raise but is too good to preempt, so what do you do? If you have 4 diamonds, you might bid 1D over 1C, even though holding 5-card support for clubs. Without 4 diamonds, 1NT is often a reasonable bid. So, frequently, but not always, the 1NT bid shows club support (occasionally, it will 3-3-5-2 so my partner cannot count on the support!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronos Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 There is the implication that 1C - 1NT holds 4 Clubs by default, however I am not adverse to bidding 1NT with 4D if the Diamonds are very bad. I would never bypass a four card major over 1C. Chronos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Seems to me that I'm playing the same thing. Normally, with a 4+ card major we bid it (Walsch). With 4+D we bid 1D (this bid means 0-7 or natural with 8+ HCP). Advantages:- If partner has a 4-card M he doesn't have to bid it. Opponents might balance in his suit.- 2C becomes really pre-emptive, can be with 0 HCP.- If opener is really strong, he knows what you have. Disadvantages:- You gave too much information to opponents if you are about to play 1NT and showed a 4-card D (and partner a 4-card M).- If partner has hearts, opponents will almost always balance to 2S- If partner is really strong, 3NT might be played in the wrong hand There might be more (dis)advantages, but these are the first that get in my mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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