The route seems to be signed

[Lovera]

The vul situation is : love all. Partner (dealer) open 1♠ (opp pass) and you have:♣A♦AK98♥AQ10984♠54. What is your responsive bidding ?

[mr1303]

Assuming 2/1, I bid 2H. Assuming something else, I check my convention card first...

[Kaitlyn S]

Assuming 2/1, I bid 2H. Assuming something else, I check my convention card first...

I would bid 2H whether playing 2/1 or not.

 

Also, surprised nobody got dinged by the problem and bid diamonds. Usually the order is S, H, D, C so people might erroneously think the long suit is diamonds.

[nullve]

Usually the order is S, H, D, C so people might erroneously think the long suit is diamonds.

Yes. Nice trick question, Lovera!

[Lovera]

Yes, but let' s return about topic bidding (with the long suit heart).

[wank]

very interesting hand lovera: a tricky decision as to whether to make a forcing bid in one's longest suit or go down the pub.

[msjennifer]

2Heart! What's the problem?,

Heavier the load,the slower goes the train!

[Cyberyeti]

You might find an old Acol player who bids 3♥, the rest of the world bids 2♥

[Lovera]

In accordling to my system and with this (more of 23 points) very strong hand (only 3 losers) i bid (preparing me to follow ..) 3♥ than jumping, opp pass, but partner instead says 4♣ that although is not cue but nat suit (and i feel as to be near Pole..) showing an (almost !) 5-4 in the blacks (opp silent). To you.

[mr1303]

I would bid 2H whether playing 2/1 or not.

 

Also, surprised nobody got dinged by the problem and bid diamonds. Usually the order is S, H, D, C so people might erroneously think the long suit is diamonds.

 

Actually I did bid 2D originally, but realised my mistake and edited my post.

 

Incidentally I wouldn't make a 3H bid if it was a SJS on this hand, as diamonds may be better.

[Vampyr]

In accordling to my system and with this (more of 23 points) very strong hand (only 3 losers) i bid (preparing me to follow ..) 3♥ than jumping, opp pass, but partner instead says 4♣ that although is not cue but nat suit (and i feel as to be near Pole..) showing an (almost !) 5-4 in the blacks (opp silent). To you.

 

Considering that no one has so far bid 3♥, the only possible answer to this question is "abstain". You have got uncomfortably high and have no room to eg agree on a strain.

[GrahamJson]

As an Acol player even I would bid 2H. It's a classic example of when not to jump; too strong and with a second suit that isn't the one opened.

[mr1303]

If you make a SJS, you need it to be well defined. Either a solid suit, setting trumps, or a strong 2 suiter including partner's suit.

[Joe_Old]

I believe GIB plays Soloway jump shifts (good suit, usually 6+, 17+ points). If it's in your system, that's my bid. Otherwise 2♥.

[nullve]

1♠-2♥; 2♠ is probably the most interesting start from Responder's point of view.

[Lovera]

Considering that no one has so far bid 3♥, the only possible answer to this question is "abstain". You have got uncomfortably high and have no room to eg agree on a strain.

I can be with you but there is an explanation. I too thought it but was strong and than quite (at that time).

[Lovera]

If you make a SJS, you need it to be well defined. Either a solid suit, setting trumps, or a strong 2 suiter including partner's suit.

And partner was an occasional advanced.

[Lovera]

I believe GIB plays Soloway jump shifts (good suit, usually 6+, 17+ points). If it's in your system, that's my bid. Otherwise 2♥.

It was not GIB.

[johnu]

I believe GIB plays Soloway jump shifts (good suit, usually 6+, 17+ points). If it's in your system, that's my bid. Otherwise 2♥.

 

Maybe GIB would make a jump shift with this hand, but it does not come close to a Soloway jump shift by my standards because

 

1) The heart suit is too ratty

2) Diamonds may be the best trump suit

3) Spades may be the best trump suit.

[johnu]

In accordling to my system and with this (more of 23 points) very strong hand (only 3 losers)

 

Is this new math? I count only 17 HCP and at least 4 losers.

[Vampyr]

1♠-2♥; 2♠ is probably the most interesting start from Responder's point of view.

 

Just how interesting depends on whether 2♠ is forcing.

[Lovera]

Is this new math? I count only 17 HCP and at least 4 losers.

Yes for losers but system consider also longness and shortness than is not only 17 HCP.

[Lovera]

Anyway i bidded 4♦, pass opp, and hear 5♣ by partner. Now is clear that had a 5-5, i thought (there will be anything in heart suit ?).

[Lovera]

So, with a little thinking if raise spade or not preferring my suit, i bidded 5♥ and all passed. On opening lead of ♠ 8 i saw dummy with 5 spade to AK10, 5 club to KQ and xxx in diamond. Partner had 5 spade and 5 club and this case is an exception to rule having to bid 1♣ and with my 2♥ follow with spade (probably ending in 3 NT) as another pair did. In despite of all 5♥ there were (you can see that till 7th trick all is ok..but after yet (but i played it incorrectly). The four hands: http://tinyurl.com/h5f8zrd

[johnu]

Yes for losers but system consider also longness and shortness than is not only 17 HCP.

 

How do you justify long and short suit point additions to go from 17 HCP to 23 total points when you don't even know that you have a trump fit?