2 hands from yesterday

[Chamaco]

Both hands come from a team match.

I was South in both deals.

 

One question here to the BBO readers/posters:

do you prefer to have in the same post 2 or more hands (with different topics) or one thread for each hand ?

 

ciao

 

Mauro

 

 

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Hand 1:

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=sq86542hajd84ck82&s=skjhq6dakj53caq54]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

E......S......W......N

2H...Dbl....4H.....4S

all pass

 

2H was a natural weak 2.

 

1) Do you agree with the first t/o double ?

2) Should south make a move towards slam ?

 

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Hand 2

 

All vulnerable.

West dealer

 

I held:

 

♠T653

♥932

♦KQ

♣AQ83

 

 

 

W......N......E......S

1S....2H....3D.....?

[luke warm]

on hand 2, it looks to me like east has spade support with a diamond suit... i would think partner has a stiff spade, but i'd want to know what the 3d bid meant... if support for spades, i'd bid 4c on the way to 4h... if no support for spades, or if it doesn't show support, i'd bid 3h

 

hand 1 is tough... i think i'd double also... after 4s, i would probably bid 4nt

[Chamaco]

on hand 2, it looks to me like east has spade support with a diamond suit... i would think partner has a stiff spade, but i'd want to know what the 3d bid meant... if support for spades, i'd bid 4c on the way to 4h... if no support for spades, or if it doesn't show support, i'd bid 3h

3D was unalerted, and East was an intermediate-, does not play Robson/Forrester style.

[pbleighton]

1) Tough. Double, then pass 4S reluctantly. QX in hearts is bad for slam.

Over 3S, bid 4D.

2) 3H, though pass is reasonable. At MPs I pass.

 

Peter

[flytoox]

I much prefer one thread for each hand. B)

[mike777]

1A) yes

1B) no

2) 3H

[whereagles]

Hand 1 I would bid a straight 3NT. Double runs the risk of hearing spades from pard which would put me in a difficult position.

[Guest Jlall]

1) yes X, what else? I would never try for slam here, seems like a no brainer. That isn't to say you cant MISS a slam by passing, but there are just far too many hands where you get too high if you make a move. You only have 2 trumps and you have Qx of hearts and partner bid 4S under heavy pressure.

 

2) seems like alot of points in this deck but when thats the case ill always trust pard...4D for me (not to try for slam but to tell him its our hand and we are now in a forcing pass)

[pclayton]

1. Yep, stay fixed and pass 4♠. Pard ought to have at least a 5 bagger, else a resp x.

 

2. I'm OK with 3♥ but I like a responsive double a little better. Oops - never mind - didn't see the change of suit. I'll pass then - this auction is inconceivable with a 11 count.

[Chamaco]

1. Yep, stay fixed and pass 4♠. Pard ought to have at least a 5 bagger, else a resp x.

:)

I thought responsive double (to pard's t/o dbl) when they bid and raise a major would show minors and deny spades (whereas resp dbl when they bid and raise a minor would be for major)

[Chamaco]

Ok here goes the next question:

 

pard's 2H overcall (all vuln) was based on the following hand

 

♠J2

♥AKQ84

♦86

♣9752

 

Do you agree with this overcall at IMPS ?

What about MP?

[pclayton]

1. Yep, stay fixed and pass 4♠. Pard ought to have at least a 5 bagger, else a resp x.

:)

I thought responsive double (to pard's t/o dbl) when they bid and raise a major would show minors and deny spades (whereas resp dbl when they bid and raise a minor would be for major)

Responsive doubles (choose your level - either starting at the 3 level or 4) are more flexible than that; instead of just showing specific suits, they just show cards.

 

I play responsive doubles through 7♥, although THATS never come up...

[Chamaco]

Responsive doubles (choose your level - either starting at the 3 level or 4) are more flexible than that;

I use Mike Lawrence's following definition, taken from his books on overcalls and on t/o doubles (quite strict):

 

When responding to pard's t/o double, the responsive double show the 2 suits of the other ranks of the suit bid and raised (minors if they raise a major, majors if they raise a minor).

[pbleighton]

"pard's 2H overcall (all vuln) was based on the following hand

 

♠J2

♥AKQ84

♦86

♣9752

 

Do you agree with this overcall at IMPS ?

What about MP?"

 

No for both.

 

Yes at any scoring method when not vulnerable.

 

Peter

[whereagles]

Perfectly ok overcall for me, at any scoring.

[Guest Jlall]

Ok here goes the next question:

 

pard's 2H overcall (all vuln) was based on the following hand

 

♠J2

♥AKQ84

♦86

♣9752

 

Do you agree with this overcall at IMPS ?

What about MP?

This is not even close to a red overcall at imps imo. The only time I would overcall this hand is NV at MP.

 

Obviously if I knew pard overcalled the same way at the 2 level as he does at the 1 level i wouldnt have driven to game :)

[Fluffy]

1) I will do something different and suggest 3♦ instead of take out double. If I had to double I wouldn't move after 4♠.

2) I would bid 4♥, don't see how a responsive double would help us.

 

I would not overcall 2♥.

[jdulmage]

Hand 1:

 

2♥-Dbl-4♥-4♠-Pass-5♥ by you. You want to end up somewhere, telling your partner "I have a huge hand, if you have anything extra, help me out". With AJ♥ and 6♠, may bid 6♠ next. However, it is tricky, because you never know how the spades are sitting.

 

Hand 2:

 

3♥, no bones about it.

[HeartA]

Hand 1.

 

1) Yes, dbl is perfectly fine.

2) Yes, I would by bidding 5♠, asked for ♥ stopper.

 

 

Hand 2. I would simply bid 3♥. Small ♥s, doubleton ♦KQ, 4432 shape, these are not that great. If pd doesn't have ♣K, it would be most likely in opener's hand (off-side).

[awm]

(1) I'd bid 3♥ over 2♥, stopper ask. My hand is too good for 3♦ and double is likely to run me into exactly this sort of problem. How can I pass 4♠? Couldn't partner have FOUR spades and a good hand?

 

(2) 3♥ seems normal. KQ tight is a bad holding in diamonds so I wouldn't push too hard for game. I don't like partner's vulnerable overcall, should show more values.

[P_Marlowe]

Hand 1)

- Double, since there is no real alternative.

- No, pass.

Partner could be stretching. I dont mind losing 500, on

a 50% slam, maybe the actual slam is a little bit better,

but I dont care, but I mind losing 600, when the other

table is only in game

 

Hand2)

- 3H

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[ochinko]

I prefer separate threads for separate hands. Answers in a single thread are longer, less thorough, and often only half interesting.

 

It is understandable that people don't want to create many new topics, but I believe it would be more convenient for the readers. Make them Hand 1/4, 2/4, etc.

 

Petko

[Finch]

Hand 1:

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=sq86542hajd84ck82&s=skjhq6dakj53caq54]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

E......S......W......N

2H...Dbl....4H.....4S

all pass

 

2H was a natural weak 2.

 

1) Do you agree with the first t/o double ?

2) Should south make a move towards slam ?

 

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1. I suppose so.

2. No.

 

The fact you've asked the question implies 12 tricks made. But slam isn't huge. All the bidding going on implies things may not break very well, and they don't have to lead a heart at trick 1. To make slam, you need:

 

a) spades 3-2

;) clubs and diamonds not 5-1 (the hand with the likely singleton and non-trump ace is on lead)

c) a twelfth trick from somewhere. Though I admit once a) and :) are specified, if opener has 6 hearts you know must have one of the minors breaking. But could the 2H bidder have, say?

 

10x

K109xx

xx

J109x

 

now try 6S on a club lead...

[awm]

It seems like double is nearly unanimous as a first bid on hand one. What is partner supposed to bid over 4♥ with:

 

Axxx

xx

Qxxx

Kxx

 

Some sort of responsive double? If everyone really plays responsive doubles this high I suppose I can accept that, although I personally think a LOT is lost by not having the option to penalize 4♥ here.

 

But if in fact partner would bid 4♠, doesn't this put you in something of a bind? 5♦ is obviously excellent, but I honestly don't like my chances at 4♠ in the 4-2 fit...