Your turn

[MrAce]

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Cross IMPs.

 

3♥=Preempt

[helene_t]

Double. Pass would not be crazy but I think the chance of +300 or even +500 is good enough to justify taking the risk.

 

Anyway, the 5-level doesn't belong to us as there are negative LOTT adjustment factors.

[wank]

call me timid but i'd just pass

[alok c]

Pass.

[Kaitlyn S]

Pass.

[MrAce]

I passed.

 

Pd had

 

Ax

JTxxx

xxx

xxx

 

We scored 2♠+1♥+2♦ http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif

 

Helene spanked them, I could not http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

[aguahombre]

How about 4♥ instead of three, and then Double by Partner?

[Kaitlyn S]

How about 4♥ instead of three, and then Double by Partner?

Because 4H is even more preemptive and is less likely to elicit a double? Or do you mean double by the 4H bidder?

[aguahombre]

Because 4H is even more preemptive and is less likely to elicit a double? Or do you mean double by the 4H bidder?

I meant Double by the Responder, after having bid the lawful 4♥ on the previous round.

[Kaitlyn S]

Pd had

 

Ax

JTxxx

xxx

xxx

 

This hand should bid 4H and then double 4S?

 

What if the opener had this hand?

 

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[aguahombre]

Then they would make 4♠. However, having shown the partnership holds ten trumps via 4H, then that Responder has one Trick --- perhaps Opener will work it out to bid 5H over the double.

 

Timo, the OP would undoubtedly have been delighted if his partner had bid four then doubled with the actual hand --- and I have no doubt that if he held the hand you gave, he would have removed the double to 5H.

 

In either case he would be thanking partner for playing partnership Bridge.

[Kaitlyn S]

Then they would make 4♠. However, having shown the partnership holds ten trumps via 4H, then that Responder has one Trick --- perhaps Opener will work it out to bid 5H over the double.

 

Timo, the OP would undoubtedly have been delighted if his partner had bid four then doubled with the actual hand --- and I have no doubt that if he held the hand you gave, he would have removed the double to 5H.

 

In either case he would be thanking partner for playing partnership Bridge.

Timo would hold the S-KJ and pull to 5H with the weaker hand after hearing partner double? I'd like to hear that from him :D Those cards don't suggest offense.

[MatthiasK]

Pd had

 

Ax

JTxxx

xxx

xxx

So Partner misbid and you had a hard time to judge the situation correctly.

[wank]

does 3H have a narrower range than 'pre-empt'?

 

i play 3H here as mixed which to me means 5-8ish. i don't believe you ever really get dealt weaker 'pre-emptive' hands. that would make it easier.

[MrAce]

does 3H have a narrower range than 'pre-empt'?

 

i play 3H here as mixed which to me means 5-8ish. i don't believe you ever really get dealt weaker 'pre-emptive' hands. that would make it easier.

 

3-5

[wank]

assuming you have a way to make a stronger raise (bergen or something), i think partner's hand should be evaluated as more than 5. personally i don't play bergen so i only have 2NT and 3H available to cover the whole spectrum. in that situation i think it's much more important to keep the mixed raise and forfeit the weak raise.

[MrAce]

assuming you have a way to make a stronger raise (bergen or something),...

 

Tbh I don't.

 

1♥-(1♠)-2NT =nat 3m=fit +nat

[cherdano]

3-5

Then why did partner bid 3H? Am I playing with the Walrus?

[WesleyC]

This looks like an automatic double to me.

 

The main consideration is that aggressive opponents are likely to be taking an advanced sacrifice in this spot. Even if 4S is making on a lucky layout, there's a good chance our teammates haven't gotten that high at the other table. The difference between -590 and -420 is very negligible if our teammates are bringing back +170 or even -420.

 

Partner *might* be absolutely broke for their 3H bid, but most of the time they'll have at least 1 helpful card.

[phil_20686]

Opposite typical 3h bids i would dble as I think we likely have a significant balance of the points, and I am realistically only risking 4 imps for 4sx= vs 4s=, whereas I am gaining 5 for 4sx-2 vs 4s-2 along with 2 for 4s -1 and potentially a bunch of -3 although that would be a minority result. Thus I would expect to be EV positive even if I am only beating 4s by 60% of the time, (half by 1 half by 2), which I think is reasonably pessimistic.