Lead vs 6D

[MrAce]

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Team match

Opponents are adv minus

Position is not clear whether they are bidding to make or just sort of preempting at these colors

 

What is your lead to get the best result?

[eagles123]

small club

[Kaitlyn S]

I don't think partner is doubling just on CK and HA. First, do no harm. Small spade in accordance with your lead conventions.

[alok c]

Ditto as eagles123.

[mike777]

very nonexpert answer....2S

[MrAce]

As I said the position is not clear at these colors but, would you change your mind IF you were sure DBL was asking for a lead (lightner)?

[gszeszycki]

What kind of hand are we expecting from the dummy? Was this the monster preempt with no chance of making (we might be making 6s or more if that is the case) OR was it a bid with a chance at making. One might expect the latter to look something like

void Kx(x) Axxx(xx) AKxxx(x). It is possible for the opps void to be anywhere BUT it is much more likely to be a major suit void since a long major suit might score better than diamonds and the opp made no effort to introduce their long suit (simply because clubs will score no better than diamonds and diamonds rates to be a better contract.

 

Thinking this way it seems logical to play lho for a void in spades and attack using the heart J. Who knows maybe we will even score 3 heart tricks off the top (not to mention it might be the only way to score 2 heart tricks)(unavailable with any other suit lead).

 

If we are assuming the bid to be lightner I would try a low club since it seems hugely unlikely lho is long in spades.

[alok c]

As West not explored further before slam bidding,i expect him to have a two suiter hand with a void & taking a chance not to expose his weakness.If that is so,judging by South's hand it should be ♦ & ♥ with ♠ void in West hand.

[Jinksy]

As I said the position is not clear at these colors but, would you change your mind IF you were sure DBL was asking for a lead (lightner)?

 

I'm fairly ambivalent between leads as posed in the OP, so if X were Lightner I'd lean strongly towards a spade. The 2, I suppose.

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&s=sq65432hj9d5cq974&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=3dp6ddppp]133|200| MrAce asks "Team match Opponents are adv minus. Position is not clear whether they are bidding to make or just sort of preempting at these colors. What is your lead to get the best result?"

 

I guess this is a Lightner double (If not Lightner, then partner should still be prepared for the Lightner directed lead). Partner is likely to hold a void and a trump trick or an AK. I guess

1. ♠4. Partner's void is likely to be in your longest side-suit. If the ♠ lead is wrong it is less likely to surrender the contract immediately

2. ♥J = Perhaps partner has ♥AK.

3. ♣4. Could be right, But, if wrong then more likely to give away contract.

4. ♦5. If partner is doubling on power, this may reduce cross-ruff chances.

 

With special agreements, there might be additional clues, For example, where the lead is likely to be a guess you might rely on a mnemonic like

- "If your heart's stopped pass away" so double might indicate a black-suit lead.[/hv]

[benlessard]

In imps it look clear to maximize our chances to get a plus. No reasons to think 6D is going to be an advance sac 5 times more often than with an intend to make.

[MrAce]

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Those who led ♣ defeats.

 

Those who led ♠ made the same mistake I did. Mistake was not to lead the ♠ but the spade card we chose.

When we decide to lead ♠ I think leading Q increases our chances.

[benlessard]

Im used to the strong use of SP for leads after a lightner, so I would be afraid partner underlead HA after ruffing. With a S void and seeing the J!S (or K!S if you play rusinow) on dummy i would automatically think the Q!S show A/K or Hvoid.

 

Very interesting hand

[Kaitlyn S]

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[MrAce]

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Please, if you are going to construct hands to show how ♠ Q fails, that is fine with me.

But at least try to make it consistent with the auction and consistent with average human logic.

The one you posted is consistent with neither of them.

[helene_t]

This is not a lightner double.

 

Not saying that partner's double was wrong. Just that it doesn't specifically ask us to find his void.

 

The reason is that a lightner is a doubler of a voluntarily bid slam. Here we don't know if it is. It might be preemptive. Hence, the double just shows ownership of the hand.

[Jinksy]

Interesting hand - with the benefit of hindsight, I do like the Q♠ lead :)

[Fluffy]

This is not a lightner double.

 

Not saying that partner's double was wrong. Just that it doesn't specifically ask us to find his void.

 

The reason is that a lightner is a doubler of a voluntarily bid slam. Here we don't know if it is. It might be preemptive. Hence, the double just shows ownership of the hand.

 

During years I've heard on the forums several times about preempting to the 6 level before opponents could bid. But in reality, in my life, I have never ever seen one. Maybe it is something about my countrymen being pussies.

[Fluffy]

But at least try to make it consistent with the auction and consistent with average human logic.

 

 

One wonders what for you would be consistent with one but not the other.

On the other hand I consider the bidding on the hand proposed better than most I see daily.

[MrAce]

One wonders what for you would be consistent with one but not the other.

 

On the other hand I consider the bidding on the hand proposed better than most I see daily.

 

AKJT98

A32

A

A32

 

• Nobody bids 6♦ over white vs red 3♦ with this.
• Nobody even bids 5 ♦ with this before they search for spade fit.
• Even if W is obsessed playing in diamonds, there is a thing called RKCB.

[wanoff]

This is not a lightner double.

 

Just that it doesn't specifically ask us to find his void.

 

The reason is that a lightner is a doubler of a voluntarily bid slam. Here we don't know if it is. It might be preemptive. Hence, the double just shows ownership of the hand.

 

Not really.

Here it says find my void and it may go off or it's going off whatever.