Last seat opening bid problem

[Chamaco]

4♦ should show that kind of hand in the passout seat, giving the choice between pass, a natural 4N (4N from pard's hand may be easier than 3N from your hand) or 5/6♦.

3♦ seems more useful as a bar bid, with something like  x  AQ  KQJxxx  xxxx.

 

For the record, a two-way 3♠ (natural or solid diamonds) wouldn't have worked too well on this hand. (No, I'm not implying it is a silly convention.)

4D has a point to be played that way.

 

However, I like to keep Namyats in 4th seat too, so that a 4M opener, even if good, is not well defined like a Namyats: in the rare cases you hold a Namyats hand and all have passed, slam is not unlikely.

 

I much prefer using 3m for all solid minors, even with extra playing strength, and TREAT IT AS FORCING 1ROUND.

It tells pard "Pard I have AT LEAST a Gambling hand, bid something".

 

This way, the 3m opener has still the chance to show extras if his pard refuses 3NT.

 

I do not like much the "bar bid" you suggest: I would open this 1D, I do have a 6 card suit, but it is NOT solid AND 50% of my values are outside diamonds, and if opps outgun me in spades, too bad.

If I am really afraid of being outgunned, I'll passout.

[whereagles]

Well, I went from

 

No namyats ---> namyats in all seats ---> namyats in 1st 2nd only ---> no namyats at all B)

 

Talk about going back to basics... lol :) Now seriously, in practice I notice a 4m pree is more valuable than a distinguishing from a good and bad 4M bid.

[inquiry]

Well, I went from

 

No namyats ---> namyats in all seats ---> namyats in 1st 2nd only ---> no namyats at all B)

 

Talk about going back to basics... lol :) Now seriously, in practice I notice a 4m pree is more valuable than a distinguishing from a good and bad 4M bid.

Third seat, four level preempt have value, but to preempt in four of a minor in front of parnter can be a disaster as 3NT has just gone bye-bye as a possible contract. Once partner has passed, of course, this is no longer a concern.

 

On this hand I would just open 1♦.

 

Ben

[Chamaco]

Talk about going back to basics... lol B) Now seriously, in practice I notice a 4m pree is more valuable than a distinguishing from a good and bad 4M bid.

Sure enough, but in the 4th seat, with no opps to preempt, would you prefer a preemptive oriented 4m or a 4m namyats to allow for tight slams ?

[pclayton]

I can see 3♦ and 3N opener being about a trick different in 4th chair. No need to differentiate on the suit quality; both should show excellent suits.

 

Perhaps a NAMYATS call in 4th should show exactly 10 tricks and 4 of a major would show 9. Or 9 and 8.

[mike777]

Well, your opps were cold for 4 spades. Even going down in 3NT not a big issue, no?

Well, on the other hand, your own side is cold for 5D,

and even 5C is a reasonable contract.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

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